Smartphone under 20k

1. Budget? - 20k
2. Display type and size? - Amoled
3. Dual sim? - Yes
4. Preferred choice of brand? - MI, Samsung, OnePlus
5. What camera option you want (flash, front facing camera)? - Good front and back camera
6. Preferred operating system? (Android, iOS,Stock Android etc). - Android
7. Preferred connectivity options (Dual 4G,802.11AC/5Ghz(not 5g mobile network) wifi). - 4g
8. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, internet, gaming etc)? - camera, multimedia
9. Any specific mobile phones in consideration? - NA
10. Any other info that you want to share - fast charging - min 27W and good battery

Samsung Galaxy A50 (Blue, 64 GB)

*dl.flipkart.com/dl/samsung-galaxy-...n?pid=MOBFE4CSF3G2TTUV&cmpid=product.share.pp

OR
Nokia 7.2 (Charcoal, 64 GB)

*dl.flipkart.com/dl/nokia-7-2-charc...9?pid=MOBFKCTGFDYS3HAF&cmpid=product.share.pp

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Forgot to mention, no Nokia pls.

Except Nokia, I am open to any brand.

Cheers.

For Samsung, M21 & M31 are the only good options. A series is overpriced, even M series is, but not to that extent.

Top options, Moto One Fusion+ & Poco X2. Moto has stock android going for it along with being a good phone overall with great battery life. Poco X2 lacks on battery front in comparison but has much faster charging, 120Hz display & better cam sensor. In terms of image quality, Moto sometimes gives better images even with an inferior sensor but GCam will help both.

Thanks.

I need a good Phone for my wife. Battery (with fast charging), Camera and storage space are top priority.

Any more suggestions pls?

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I think you better avoid motorola too as read some issues with it related to volte/sms in online comments. See if you can get K20.

whitestar_999 said:
I think you better avoid motorola too as read some issues with it related to volte/sms in online comments. See if you can get K20.

Only issue with K20 will be that its 1 OS update old, launched with android 9, so at max will get 11. Poco X2 should get 12, for Moto, maybe it will get 12 as well.

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omega44-xt said:
Only issue with K20 will be that its 1 OS update old, launched with android 9, so at max will get 11. Poco X2 should get 12, for Moto, maybe it will get 12 as well.

Officially yes but there is an unofficial Miui EU rom(quite recommended at xda for its non-bloat/more privacy friendly features) which should be available for k20 for android 12.

whitestar_999 said:
Officially yes but there is an unofficial Miui EU rom(quite recommended at xda for its non-bloat/more privacy friendly features) which should be available for k20 for android 12.

Ditch MIUI for custom roms ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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SaiyanGoku said:
Ditch MIUI for custom roms ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

That is not an option for less tech-savvy people which btw is the majority of android users in India. I suggested miui EU rom because it is at least more easier to switch to it compared to custom rom.

POCO M2 Pro (Green and Greener, 128 GB) (6 GB RAM)

mitraark said:
POCO M2 Pro (Green and Greener, 128 GB) (6 GB RAM)

That's a Redmi Note 9 Pro with downgraded main camera.

SaiyanGoku said:
That's a Redmi Note 9 Pro with downgraded main camera.

*9 Pro Max

M2 Pro has faster charger in-box over 9 Pro, so not that bad of a deal for 6GB/64GB but Moto One Fusion+ costs same as 6GB/128GB model & that's just better hardware-wise as well.

Other than Poco X2 & Moto, most other phones have a dedicated SD card slot, so 64GB should suffice for internal storage.

lol. If your discussion is over! Please don't mind just kidding....

Please suggest an AMOLED screen, good battery, and a decent camera smartphone

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bad_till_bones said:
lol. If your discussion is over! Please don't mind just kidding....

Please suggest an AMOLED screen, good battery, and a decent camera smartphone

A few months back the answer would have been simple, redmi K20. Using it myself & has a good amoled screen,good battery & a good camera. Now that its price has increased & you insist on amoled screen without increasing the budget then this seems to be your only option if you consider hardware.

*www.flipkart.com/realme-x-space-bl...Y9GY.SEARCH&ppt=sp&ppn=sp&qH=145a8af343ab366d

Camera performance is good outdoors but about avg indoors when using front cam. Back cam I think is good enough for all usages. Battery life is certainly above avg but I know it is lesser than my radmi k20.

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bad_till_bones said:
lol. If your discussion is over! Please don't mind just kidding....

Please suggest an AMOLED screen, good battery, and a decent camera smartphone

Samsung M31/M21 or Realme X2/XT or Redmi K20 (if you can increase budget as it lacks SD card slot), if AMOLED is must have.

Samsung M21 might be the best value for money choice, weakest performance, but cheapest as well. M31's price is hard to justify with the same processor as M21, which is S660 level. Realme X2/XT are good choice as well for 18-20k but 1 OS update old, same case for Redmi K20 but is better built than everything else, costs more as well. You must buy 128GB K20, if going for that.

Guys any newer model, please?

In total preferences are -

- Minimum processor performance equivalent to Snapdragon 720/720g.
- 6 GB ram / 128 GB min space.
- Amoled screen.
- Decent camera.

Budget can be extended to 22k

bad_till_bones said:
Guys any newer model, please?

In total preferences are -

- Minimum processor performance equivalent to Snapdragon 720/720g.
- 6 GB ram / 128 GB min space.
- Amoled screen.
- Decent camera.

Budget can be extended to 22k

Samsung Galaxy A31 (Prism Crush Blue, 6GB RAM, 128GB Storage) Without Offer Samsung Galaxy A31 (Prism Crush Blue, 6GB RAM, 128GB Storage) Without Offer: Amazon.in: Electronics
PS: Samsung nowadays comes with OneUI where the UI is same from their entry level to their flagships.

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bad_till_bones said:
Guys any newer model, please?

In total preferences are -

- Minimum processor performance equivalent to Snapdragon 720/720g.
- 6 GB ram / 128 GB min space.
- Amoled screen.
- Decent camera.

Budget can be extended to 22k

Realme X2, if you can find it or Redmi K20

Not many AMOLED options. With Samsung, you sacrifice performance for brand name but display & battery life are best in class.

bssunilreddy said:
Samsung Galaxy A31 (Prism Crush Blue, 6GB RAM, 128GB Storage) Without Offer Samsung Galaxy A31 (Prism Crush Blue, 6GB RAM, 128GB Storage) Without Offer: Amazon.in: Electronics
PS: Samsung nowadays comes with OneUI where the UI is same from their entry level to their flagships.

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Its bad. M31 is better for cheaper price or M21 is similar at lower price.
Compare Samsung Galaxy A31 vs. Samsung Galaxy M31 vs. Samsung Galaxy M21 - GSMArena.com

Edit: Even M21 is better because of UFS 2.1 storage vs eMMC 5.1

omega44-xt said:
Realme X2, if you can find it or Redmi K20

Not many AMOLED options. With Samsung, you sacrifice performance for brand name but display & battery life are best in class.

Will it handle day-today usage?

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bad_till_bones said:
Will it handle day-today usage?

Even a 10k note 7 pro(its price in March before the corono lockdown price increase) will handle typical daily tasks with ease. At this price point you need to look for whether you are paying too much for good camera & overall performance. I am assuming a 20k samsung phone will not be much weaker than note 7 pro under worst case scenario. @omega44-xt

If I talk about Samsung smartphone, is it worth spending around 20k or even more for 9611 processor?

bad_till_bones said:
If I talk about Samsung smartphone, is it worth spending around 20k or even more for 9611 processor?

If you don't want the Chinese phones and want good software which is universal from their entry level to flagships then Samsung is the only way.
And if want Android One programme phones with excellent software updates then Nokia is the only way.
Finnish tech.

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bad_till_bones said:
If I talk about Samsung smartphone, is it worth spending around 20k or even more for 9611 processor?

It is close to a 3 year old SD 660 which was available in phones around 10k last year IIRC.

*www.notebookcheck.net/SD-660-vs-Exynos-9611_9944_11543.247596.0.html

bad_till_bones said:
If I talk about Samsung smartphone, is it worth spending around 20k or even more for 9611 processor?

As I said earlier, M31/M21 are the Samsung phones worth buying, A series is trash.

Samsung M series has some recommendations being pushed via notification bar, but likely won't go into system ads like Redmi Note series of Xiaomi (ads can be limited in both by following some steps easily available online). I consider One UI of Samsung & Oxygen OS of Oneplus as the two best UIs.

If you are willing to wait till month end & spend 25k, you might get OP Nord for 25k (rumoured), it has 90Hz AMOLED, S765 & a 48MP Sony cam with OIS. Dual front-facing cams are a negative point IMO.

Samsung Galaxy M40 (Midnight Blue, 6GB RAM, 128GB Storage) *www.amazon.in/dp/B07HGJKDRR/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_yM5cFbZ0ZHJ2Y
This above phone comes with Snapdragon processor not like other Samsung phones which comes with Exygnos processors.

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So the fact of the matter is, Samsung is actually lacking a decent midrange phone to compete the Chinese market in India.

Will wait for OP Nord then. Thanks.

bad_till_bones said:
So the fact of the matter is, Samsung is actually lacking a decent midrange phone to compete the Chinese market in India.

Will wait for OP Nord then. Thanks.

OP Nord starts @ 36k
PS: This is the same company which makes oppo & vivo phones as well I think.

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bssunilreddy said:
OP Nord starts @ 36k
PS: This is the same company which makes oppo & vivo phones as well I think.

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Strong rumours are there that it would be close to 25k.

bad_till_bones said:
Strong rumours are there that it would be close to 25k.

OP Nord is a 5G compatible phone so backwards compatible with 4G as well right. So which of those phones right now that offers 5G are sold for 25k

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bssunilreddy said:
OP Nord starts @ 36k
PS: This is the same company which makes oppo & vivo phones as well I think.

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OP isn't that stupid. It might end up at $500 in US but remember OP8 is cheaper in India than US & EU. Worst case scenario, I don't think they will price it over 30k but 25k will be a great price as there aren't many good options at that price. Right now Realme X3 is another choice at 25k, but many people do prefer AMOLED & X3 is suited for gamers.

bssunilreddy said:
OP Nord is a 5G compatible phone so backwards compatible with 4G as well right. So which of those phones right now that offers 5G are sold for 25k

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I got your point bro! But the leak is for a price of approx 25k

bssunilreddy said:
Samsung Galaxy M40 (Midnight Blue, 6GB RAM, 128GB Storage) *www.amazon.in/dp/B07HGJKDRR/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_yM5cFbZ0ZHJ2Y
This above phone comes with Snapdragon processor not like other Samsung phones which comes with Exygnos processors.

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Yes, good SoC but downgrades on many other stuff (camera, battery, 3.5mm jack, display) even compared to M30S & has a higher price. M31/M21 are the only sensible Samsung choices.

bad_till_bones said:
I got your point bro! But the leak is for a price of approx 25k

OP 8 pro is sold @ 41k
So OP Nord 5G will be sold @ 25k
I don't think so
This phone company which we never heard of sells @ 45k for 5G version
Take a look at this once:iQOO 3 (5G) (Tornado Black, 256 GB)

*dl.flipkart.com/dl/iqoo-3-5g-torna...d?pid=MOBFP4P2HCJBY5YN&cmpid=product.share.pp

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omega44-xt said:
Yes, good SoC but downgrades on many other stuff (camera, battery, 3.5mm jack, display) even compared to M30S & has a higher price. M31/M21 are the only sensible Samsung choices.

M31 - But do you think, it can do today task easily? 6/128 is available for 17500 right now in Amazon under a limited deal. But my only worry is, hope it won't hang doing basic tasks!

bssunilreddy said:
OP 8 pro is sold @ 41k
So OP Nord 5G will be sold @ 25k
I don't think so
This phone company which we never heard of sells @ 45k for 5G version
Take a look at this once:iQOO 3 (5G) (Tornado Black, 256 GB)

*dl.flipkart.com/dl/iqoo-3-5g-torna...d?pid=MOBFP4P2HCJBY5YN&cmpid=product.share.pp

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S865 was priced higher this year than older flagship SoC, partly due to 5G modem. That iQoo was one of the first S865 phones in India along with Realme X50, both even lacked OIS in cam, I think, so not a good purchase except when all you care is gaming.

BTW OP8 starts at 42k. OP8 Pro at 41k would have killed Samsung, OP phones would sell like hot cakes. Anyways, lets see. My bet will be on 25k as well, mainly because OP8 series is cheaper in India. Also we have 7T at 35k which is still a great device for the price.

bad_till_bones said:
M31 - But do you think, it can do today task easily? 6/128 is available for 17500 right now in Amazon under a limited deal. But my only worry is, hope it won't hang doing basic tasks!

For day to day tasks, yes, it is powerful enough. One UI is optimized enough. My father's 3 year old Samsung C7 Pro still runs smooth enough, surely is bit slower than my S8 but not laggy nor hangs, only battery needs replacement soon.

The camera difference between M31 & M21 isn't much, so can get M21 instead & save money.

Edit: Forget that, not much difference between M21 & M31 in terms of price of 6GB/128GB variants, i think it was 2k earlier. Both have dedicated SD card slot, so 6GB/64GB will suffice as well

omega44-xt said:
S865 was priced higher this year than older flagship SoC, partly due to 5G modem. That iQoo was one of the first S865 phones in India along with Realme X50, both even lacked OIS in cam, I think, so not a good purchase except when all you care is gaming.

BTW OP8 starts at 42k. OP8 Pro at 41k would have killed Samsung, OP phones would sell like hot cakes. Anyways, lets see. My bet will be on 25k as well, mainly because OP8 series is cheaper in India. Also we have 7T at 35k which is still a great device for the price.

But here OPs budget is only 22k and maybe he can extend only till 25k and not more.
So let's guide him according to his budget and not draw or get drawn towards rumor mills.

I say Samsung M Series or A Series is the best bet
And Nokia if OP wants Android One devices.
Because Nokia was the one company which gave Android 10 upgrade to it's budget devices this year compared with others like Motorola etc

PS: If OP Nord releases for 25k then it will CANIBALISE its own flagships for once right.
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bssunilreddy said:
But here OPs budget is only 22k and maybe he can extend only till 25k and not more.
So let's guide him according to his budget and not draw or get drawn towards rumor mills.

I say Samsung M Series or A Series is the best bet
And Nokia if OP wants Android One devices.
Because Nokia was the one company which gave Android 10 upgrade to it's budget devices this year compared with others like Motorola etc

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I just asked him to wait, anyways event is in a week. So we will know the price by then. If its high, its not like other phones are running away, but if its 25k, its easily best bet for OP if he can increase the budget.

My only problem with Nokia is its hardware specs. Its inferior to even Samsung phones. Nokia is trying to have a premium brand image & trying to get sales based on its old reputation, which isn't working well for it.
Compare Nokia 7.2 vs. Samsung Galaxy M31 vs. Motorola One Fusion+ - GSMArena.com
Nokia 7.2 costs 18k, has similar SoC to M31 but has an inferior display, storage & way inferior battery life. Storage is a strange one as almost every new 12-13k+ phones have been UFS 2.0 at least for some time now. UFS 2.1 vs eMMc 5.1 is like SSD vs HDD for PCs. So only better software isn't enough to counteract those. Most Chinese phones usually have just 1 con, software.

omega44-xt said:
I just asked him to wait, anyways event is in a week. So we will know the price by then. If its high, its not like other phones are running away, but if its 25k, its easily best bet for OP if he can increase the budget.

My only problem with Nokia is its hardware specs. Its inferior to even Samsung phones. Nokia is trying to have a premium brand image & trying to get sales based on its old reputation, which isn't working well for it.
Compare Nokia 7.2 vs. Samsung Galaxy M31 vs. Motorola One Fusion+ - GSMArena.com
Nokia 7.2 costs 18k, has similar SoC to M31 but has an inferior display, storage & way inferior battery life. Storage is a strange one as almost every new 12-13k+ phones have been UFS 2.0 at least for some time now. UFS 2.1 vs eMMc 5.1 is like SSD vs HDD for PCs. So only better software isn't enough to counteract those. Most Chinese phones usually have just 1 con, software.

Yes software is enough to defeat the very purpose a phone is based on right
Without timely updates a phone is a dead weight
My elders all are using samsung latest phones where samsung is giving timely updates but my own nokia 8.1 is regularly giving monthly security updates and quarterly updates regarding any improvements needed like voice recorder which was provided by May update to all nokia phones.

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bssunilreddy said:
Yes software is enough to defeat the very purpose a phone is based on right
Without timely updates a phone is a dead weight
My elders all are using samsung latest phones where samsung is giving timely updates but my own nokia 8.1 is regularly giving monthly security updates and quarterly updates regarding any improvements needed like voice recorder which was provided by May update to all nokia phones.

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But Xiaomi & Realme actually have good enough software, just UI ads. Realme & One UI of cheap phones have a similar level of "recommendations". MIUI software support is good, even though they don't push the android version update to old phones. Oppo & Vivo surely doesn't have a mature looking OS.

Moto surely needs to work on reclaiming themselves, realistically One Fusion+ should get at least 1 OS update.

omega44-xt said:
But Xiaomi & Realme actually have good enough software, just UI ads. Realme & One UI of cheap phones have a similar level of "recommendations". MIUI software support is good, even though they don't push the android version update to old phones. Oppo & Vivo surely doesn't have a mature looking OS.

Moto surely needs to work on reclaiming themselves, realistically One Fusion+ should get at least 1 OS update.

And what about boycotting Chinese products.
Redmi phones have a lot of bloatware and they push unnecessary ads in their phones.
Because I have used one or two Redmi phones before but I don't know about Realme but I know it uses Colour OS like that.
But presently compared with Samsung & Nokia , all these Chinese waalaas are not giving timely updates.

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bssunilreddy said:
And what about boycotting Chinese products.
Redmi phones have a lot of bloatware and they push unnecessary ads in their phones.
Because I have used one or two Redmi phones before but I don't know about Realme but I know it uses Colour OS like that.
But presently compared with Samsung & Nokia , all these Chinese waalaas are not giving timely updates.

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My mother has Redmi Note 8 Pro. I followed a guide from xda & now the ads are gone. Takes some time for sure. Didn't see ads in system UI as some users have seen but maybe Xiaomi is not pushing that as internet is poor at my parent's place. Realme OS improved a bit over Color OS, just a more cleaner UI, surely its still ColorOS underneath. Bloatware & even lack of an option to disable it (forget uninstall) is surely annoying. Cheap Samsungs aren't good in this respect as well, which includes A series, not just M.

Boycott China isn't realistic. Even if you buy a Samsung phone, a lot of its parts are made in China. Like CPUs, I think most raw materials & fabrication does take place in China.

omega44-xt said:
My mother has Redmi Note 8 Pro. I followed a guide from xda & now the ads are gone. Takes some time for sure. Didn't see ads in system UI as some users have seen but maybe Xiaomi is not pushing that as internet is poor at my parent's place. Realme OS improved a bit over Color OS, just a more cleaner UI, surely its still ColorOS underneath. Bloatware & even lack of an option to disable it (forget uninstall) is surely annoying. Cheap Samsungs aren't good in this respect as well, which includes A series, not just M.

Boycott China isn't realistic. Even if you buy a Samsung phone, a lot of its parts are made in China. Like CPUs, I think most raw materials & fabrication does take place in China.

Almost every technology products are manufactured in China and it's for these couple of years a sea of change has started with those whose companies are manufacturing in China.
Largely because of the concept called the Trade War, US started to shift some of those companies to India and if we give some more time, more companies will shift their base to India.
So the next stop for all those now situated in China is India.

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bssunilreddy said:
Almost every technology products are manufactured in China and it's for these couple of years a sea of change has started with those whose companies are manufacturing in China.
Largely because of the concept called the Trade War, US started to shift some of those companies to India and if we give some more time, more companies will shift their base to India.
So the next stop for all those now situated in China is India.

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Not going to happen as long as all major parties here are afraid of FDI & foreign companies while thinking about East India Company & the ancient land & labour laws.