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Finally after a long long wait ( 7 years to be precise), the Xbox 360 finally has a successor namely Xbox-One. It was unveiled
during a private press meet held by Microsoft in April. On a quick note, Xbox-One distances itself from PowerPC based innards and
follows similar direction taken by its competitor (PS4) and embraces X86.

The Xbox-One has an eight core AMD Jaguar based custom cpu and AMD GCN based custom GPU (12 compute engines), all in an SOC.The two major console manufacturers,has decided for an SOC design for improved thermal ceiling and lower failure rate, which plagued their earlier console launch.
Add to this, a unified 8GB DDR3 memory that is shared by both CPU and GPU with a 256 bit bus. But this design isn't as great as that of the PS4.
DDR3's overall bandwidth is very slow compared to GDDR5 (PS4 has 8gb GDDR5) and thus could be a potential bottleneck, holding back GPU and CPU computation and increasing memory cycles. In simple words, the path is constrained to send more data to and fro. But microsoft has a workaround.

They have embedded an ES-RAM in the SOC, which is tied with the main memory. This piece of tech is of 32 mb size and acts as a fast cache.
In other words, it acts as a wide bridge(greater bandwidth) that alleviates data bottleneck due to low bandwidth, thus increasing effective bandwidth to competitive levels.
This approach isn't an ideal one and has its drawbacks. One such thing is the size. At only 32 mb, less data can be sent to and fro at any instant
and that constrain still exists. Nevertheless, through effective coding and memory management techniques in game code, developers can pacify this issue and extract most from the available resources. A full rundown of tech specs can be found here: Xbox One specs

Apart from these, the Xbox-one comes with a standard blue-ray drive with 6x reading capabilities. Standard blue-ray movie discs
are fully supported. Microsoft's ace in the sleeve comes in form with their bundled motion camera setup, referred as "Kinect 2".
With a 1080p camera and full fledged voice recognition and body movement sensors,it has the potential to take gaming in a new level.
There are a plethora of possibilities and several game developers including the famed "Hideo Kojima" has praised Kinect 2's potential.
Verbal interaction with in-game characters and 1:1 full body tracking is bound to go to the next level. It also has HDMI IN feature and
can take input signals from multimedia boxes like conventional set-top box, and display content though xbox one UI, also giving the freedom of voice and gesture controls to browse through channels.

Coming to the UI, Xbox one runs on two operating systems. One is a windows based kernel ( possibly windows 8) that is only responsible for managing custom Direct X API's. The other OS (Xbox OS) handles different multimedia functionalities as well as browsing the web. They switch with the help of a hypervisor, which is nothing but acts as an OS management module.The two OS'es has the ability to switch as per current task. The UI is also tailor made for voice commands and supports
excellent multitasking. An overview can be seen here: Overview

But Xbox-One had some loose ends. The online DRM restrictions, forced online play and banning the ability to share used games, led to a
widespread criticism across the web. Everybody were dissatisfied with this decision. At E3 2013, when its rival Sony corp. decided to free their console
from all these policies, Microsoft was forced to withdraw all of them to everybody's relief. Xbox-one no longer needs mandatory online connections and a 24 hr
check ( except for a first time mandatory update, after which it can be used offline always) and gamers can also play used games and share them with other Xbox-One owners.

With these loose-ends taken care off, Xbox-one has again become a fierce competitor and brings with it a plethora of next gen exclusive titles.
All of them are a definite must play imo and reason to invest on an Xbox -one. Below are a list of games ranging from exclusives to Highly anticipated Multiplatforms ( i.e also on PS4).

Deadrising 3 (Capcom) - Exclusive

Ryse - Son Of Rome (Crytek) - Exclusive

The Division (Ubisoft)- Multiplatform

Unnamed Halo Title (343 industries) - Exclusive

TitanFall ( Respawn Entertainment) - Microsoft Timed Exclusive

Quantum Break (Remedy) - Exclusive

D4 ( Access Games) - Exclusive

Sunset Overdrive (Insomnic Games) -Exclusive

Forza MotorSport 5 (Turn10 Studios) - Exclusive

Crimson Dragon (Microsoft Studios) - Exclusive

Killer Instinct (Double Helix Games) - Exclusive F2P

Now with all these titles and many more, the Xbox-One is all set to take on the next-gen era and be a formidable opponent to its rivals(most notably the PS4).
With a launch price of $499 which includes the kinect 2 peripheral, the deal is sweet.

Lets hope that Microsoft is able to relive the success of xbox 360 in the next-gen and by the looks of it, its all set and destined to do so.

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So Microsoft's new batsuichi apparently requires an internet connection every 24 hours for the console to work. I'm guessing it makes a handshake with microsoft's servers for this to work.

Obviously people interested in cracking into the system would require more than the 24 hours to do so. So does that mean there will be no homebrew/ modding etc possible on the console for at least half of it's life cycle, provided microsoft does not change it's policies?

Does that also imply that piracy will no longer be possible?

Theoretically, you could emulate the server at home, but then you would still need to do some blackbox testing of the console's various ports that it uses to connect to the internet and to the server so that you could build your server emulator. That itself would take weeks, if not months.

Does that mean Microsoft has found the solution to piracy on the batsuichi, provided the information we know so far is accurate? If the console's policies don't change within it's generational life cycle, does it mean that we won't be able to break into the system for atleast 10 years from launch?

I thought this would be a relevant topic of discussion. Go ahead and share your thoughts.

TO BE UPDATED TODAY- WORK IN PROGRESS

What we know about the console:

Specs:

1. AMD Jaguar and GCN 2.0 based SoC APU
CPU: 8 Cores GPU: 12 Compute units (768 cores) 1.23 TFLOPS
2. Memory
8GB DDR3 Unified Memory pool 68.3GBps bandwidth, 32MB ESRAM chip.
3. Display
4k resolution (2160p) supported with HDMI 1.4 compatibility
4. Audio
7.1 Channel surround
5. Network
802.11n and WiFi Direct
6. Motion Controls
Kinect 2.0 1080p motion sensing camera
7. Storage and media
Non-removable 500GB HDD
Blu-ray ODD
8. Operating System
Apparently two OSes based on windows 8 that switch via a Hypervisor. One optimized for gaming and another for multimedia. Supposedly reserves 3GB RAM and limits games to only 5GB available.
9. Connectivity
USB 3.0 ports x3
10. Online service
Xbox Live
11. Backwards Compatibility
No
12. Media services
Yes, but Xbox live Gold membership required to access them; services might not be available in all countries
13. Second screen capability
Supported on mobile devices via SmartGlass
14. Used Games Fee
~~Yes~~ no after consumer backlash and PS4 preorders
15. Games locked to account
~~Yes~~ no after consumer backlash and PS4 preorders
16. Region locking
~~Yes~~ no after community backlash and PS4 preorders
17. Day one special edition
Yes. "Day One 2013" engraved on it.
18. Controller
Updated design with X360 layout
19. Mandatory Kinect
Yes.
19. Console locked to certain countries
~~Yes~~ no after community backlash and PS4 preorders
20. Voice communication
Kinect camera supports it with in built Mic

LET ME KNOW IF ANYTHING IS MISSING

lets not talk about cracking and hacks... it can be done. And no it wont take months... there are so many ways i can think of right now of how this can be done.

1. it requires a connection every 24 hours. There must be some mechanism by which the xbox is checking for that time duration. One simple way is that you keep on delaying the clock, maybe overvolt it or just jtag the ic.

2. server emulation is a bit on the extreme side, since xbox will most probably authenticate your gamekeys every 24 hours. The handshake is not only checking for hardware revisions / modifications on the xbox but also checking for the authenticity of your game copy which you have installed on your xbox.

3. a better way to do this will be to crack the blu-ray copy of the game and make new discs which run as a cracked pc game. You can take advantage of the windows 8 os background on the xbox.

4. Push an app remotely which will emulate the operation of the game.

This is just brainstorming, obviously it will require much greater knowledge of the xbox systems are working ... but its a start.

NoasArcAngel said:
lets not talk about cracking and hacks... it can be done. And no it wont take months... there are so many ways i can think of right now of how this can be done.

1. it requires a connection every 24 hours. There must be some mechanism by which the xbox is checking for that time duration. One simple way is that you keep on delaying the clock, maybe overvolt it or just jtag the ic.

2. server emulation is a bit on the extreme side, since xbox will most probably authenticate your gamekeys every 24 hours. The handshake is not only checking for hardware revisions / modifications on the xbox but also checking for the authenticity of your game copy which you have installed on your xbox.

3. a better way to do this will be to crack the blu-ray copy of the game and make new discs which run as a cracked pc game. You can take advantage of the windows 8 os background on the xbox.

4. Push an app remotely which will emulate the operation of the game.

This is just brainstorming, obviously it will require much greater knowledge of the xbox systems are working ... but its a start.

1. to delay that clock you need to know where exactly it is, which is why you need to break into the system within 24 hours, and if not then you might not be able to fix it. I'm sure the connection requirement is not tied to the clock that the user can change.

2. yeah I know that it checks the authenticity of your games, but I think checking your OS's authenticity takes primacy in the hacking sense.

3. well I did try to clone a PS1 disc, but my PS3 refused to play it. so I don't think cracking like that will work.

4. not sure I understand what you mean here.

Extreme Gamer said:
1. to delay that clock you need to know where exactly it is, which is why you need to break into the system within 24 hours, and if not then you might not be able to fix it. I'm sure the connection requirement is not tied to the clock that the user can change.

2. yeah I know that it checks the authenticity of your games, but I think checking your OS's authenticity takes primacy in the hacking sense.

3. well I did try to clone a PS1 disc, but my PS3 refused to play it. so I don't think cracking like that will work.

4. not sure I understand what you mean here.

1. the user cant change the clock, but there must be a mechanism how it checks for 24 hours.

2. -

3. if you have specialized software which is able to break the encryption / security of the original game you can burn it and it will work like an ordinary game. im not allowed to post such software here, but it can be done. it is how it has been done for ps1 ps2...

make a autrorun exe which executes the moment you connect your external storage. This could exploit a flaw in the os / hypervisor or run a linux backend os when the system does not boot to the original os.

NoasArcAngel said:
1. the user cant change the clock, but there must be a mechanism how it checks for 24 hours.

2. -

3. if you have specialized software which is able to break the encryption / security of the original game you can burn it and it will work like an ordinary game. im not allowed to post such software here, but it can be done. it is how it has been done for ps1 ps2...

make a autrorun exe which executes the moment you connect your external storage. This could exploit a flaw in the os / hypervisor or run a linux backend os when the system does not boot to the original os.

1. Obviously, but how on earth do you think they would find it within 24 hours?
3. yeah but then you would also have to mod your PS3 to accept such games.
4. didn't they fix that exploit after so many months?

@OP:I have reported your OP :grin:

because you are an Nintendofag :lol:

Ok that was a joke.

I reported the OP so that a mod would change "Batsuichi" to "Xbox One" in thread title

What's wrong with Batsuichi? It literally divorces itself once from the gamers.

"Batsuichi" sounds Japanese and we are not Japanese.The name seems out of place
Imagine someone opening a thread
"Pureisutēshon Fō and jailbreaking/hacking homebrew thread"

CommanderShawnzer said:
"Batsuichi" sounds Japanese and we are not Japanese.The name seems out of place
Imagine someone opening a thread
"Pureisutēshon Fō and jailbreaking/hacking homebrew thread"

I would be fine with it

No need to go further off-topic about it

A thread for each new console. I hope this will keep the kids from each others' necks.

A good move by moderators.

Next-Generation Game Consoles to Cost $349 - $399 – Analyst.

Xbox one is expected to be $399 as per latest rumors.

Microsoft Says Sony Has Done A Nice Job With Digital Strategy

Kinect 2.0 Detailed

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A highlight:

*i.minus.com/ibqdrfIUSn00AV.gif

I remember the UI in the reveal being much smoother. I'm not accusing them of faking the UI but the Wired hands on video doesn't make it look too good. Fix this ASAP Microsoft.

Rumour Time:

NeoGAF - View Single Post - RUMOR: MS having eSRAM yield problems with Xbox One manufacturing
Microsoft Under Clocking Xbox One By 100-200mhz | STFUandPlay

Apparently the console is having problems with eSRAM yields and overheating problems so it may have to be underclocked by 100-200 mhz to prevent RRoD pt. 2

I wonder if that video is faked too.

dead5 said:
I remember the UI in the reveal being much smoother. I'm not accusing them of faking the UI but the Wired hands on video doesn't make it look too good. Fix this ASAP Microsoft.

Nope, they totally faked the ui at the reveal. Remember the guy keeps putting his hands inside his pocket to change the screen.

Microsoft Under Clocking Xbox One By 100-200mhz

Microsoft's Attack On Used Game Sales Asks Customers To Sacrifice Their Rights To Save An Industry

Microsoft On Xbox One: "We Need To Do Better In Terms Of Being Clear"

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cyborg47 said:
I wonder if that video is faked too.

Nope, they totally faked the ui at the reveal. Remember the guy keeps putting his hands inside his pocket to change the screen.

Broken sarcasm meters strike again

. In the context of the (known) faked Kinect commands the sentence beginning with "I'm not accusing" and my (pretty obvious) stance on the Xbone should have made it clear enough that I was being sarcastic.

The Video itself may not be faked otherwise they wouldn't show the jerky UI, would they?

dead5 said:
The Video itself may not be faked otherwise they wouldn't show the jerky UI, would they?

I was talking about the fake ui at the reveal.

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cyborg47 said:
I was talking about the fake ui at the reveal.

I wonder if that video is faked too.

paints a different picture.

As far as I am concerned almost everything at the reveal ranging from the cheering to the graphics to the UI to the Kinect commands were faked.

I was also hearing that the CoD Ghosts reveal was pre rendered too, sad $hit. Remedy's game was possible the only saving grace at the reveal. Hopefully, E3 will change that.

Predicting Microsoft’s E3 conference: 360 price cut, Rare revival and more

Pretty solid predictions by the author. I hope they are all true.

PS4 and Xbox One Clock Speeds “Not a Very Good Measure of Performance” – Avalanche Studios CTO

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The ×1 having yield problems has been confirmed as truthfact.

TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One, RUMOR: downclocking GPU - NeoGAF

Xbox One DRM has a 'lot of advantages', says Microsoft - VideoGamer.com

The ×1 DRM has "lots of advantages" according to Microsoft.

I guess they will be revealed at E3.

*www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61413053&postcount=361

I mentioned the other day that I was hearing rumors of Microsoft throwing around a considerable amount of money to have publishers only show games on the Xbox One during E3. Most people dismissed my admittedly flakey news as 'that's what always happens.'

I've talked to more people since then though and this isn't the usual jostling for publishers on stage that happens at E3. Microsoft is throwing BIG money around to reverse course on idea that they aren't a games console. The rumors are that PS4 versions of multiplats, by those who do take the money, won't be shown AT ALL. Not on stage and not on the show floor.

I don't feel bad for Sony because business is business. I'm sure they will find a way to have a decent show... or they will have to recover afterwards. That's not really my concern.

Now, there's no need to take my word on this if you don't want to. But do keep an eye on E3 next week. With them buying up everything in sight and now potentially cutting an open roundtable out(to assumedly talk one on one with friendly press) and word that finding multiplat games on the ps4 on the show floor will be much harder than anticipated.... just keep an eye on it. Maybe my sources are wrong. But I feel confident enough in this info to share it.

I'm not saying to jump to conclusions. I'm just saying it may be something to keep an eye on.

famousmortimer has accurately leaked stuff earlier.

This is pure bullshit. But resorting to cheap(not in the monetary sense) tactics is not alien Microsoft.

This is what happens, when you fake your products.

*www.gameranx.com/updates/id/15240/...on-one-interviews-with-xbox-executives-at-e3/

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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features

If I get it right it means:

1. We can trade games only at participating retailers.
2. The console will need to be connected to the internet every 24 hours to verify that the games you paid for are yours
3. You can't let your friends borrow your game.
4. You can't sell your game to your friends unless they have been on your friends list for 30 days after which they can't do anything about it.
5. Upto 10 people can play your game at any time.

Edit: Just noticed this part

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

So it is an opt in system in which game pubs can decide whether you get to sell your games at all?

With the recent PRISM leak, I don't think I can trust the Xbones always on Kinect at all.

You can get it to stop listening to your commands and reacting to your gestures but can't unplug it and have the ×1 still run? Something is amiss. For games that don't require it you can unplug the Sensor Bar/PS Eye on the Wii,Wii U, PS3 & PS4 at least.

Xbox One: Angry Rant Pt. 2

Angry Joe nails it.

Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

This sums up all of their policies. What do you think guys?

Sounds more like a damage control announcement than an actual feature. Why can't I give my game to more than one person?

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Angry Joe's daman. He hella funny. I completely trust his views on things.

dead5 said:
Xbox One: Angry Rant Pt. 2

Angry Joe nails it.

Laughing my f***ing arse off is what I'm doing at 1.50! *www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/laughing-hard-smiley-emoticon.gif

cyborg47 said:
Sounds more like a damage control announcement than an actual feature. Why can't I give my game to more than one person?

Some more damage control:

Microsoft's game plan for E3 2013: Damage control

vickybat said:
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features

This sums up all of their policies. What do you think guys?

Not really. They've left it to the publisher to decide. Read quote no. 1. By default you can't but if the publisher says yes, then you can.

And it's arse that you can only give it to one friend (not borrow) and he has to be on your friends list for at least 30 days. ~~What if not all my friends use Xbox live?~~ Oh wait you need an internet connection to use the console.

And by their statements is seems that you can't get it back from your friend. Microsoft is good at writing dodgy statements.

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Extreme Gamer said:
Not really. They've left it to the publisher to decide. Read quote no. 1. By default you can't but if the publisher says yes, then you can.

And it's arse that you can only give it to one friend (not borrow) and he has to be on your friends list for at least 30 days. ~~What if not all my friends use Xbox live?~~ Oh wait you need an internet connection to use the console.

And by their statements is seems that you can't get it back from your friend. Microsoft is good at writing dodgy statements.

Their second point supports their first one pretty well. It means you can give it to your friend and your friend cant give it to anyone else (which inturn cuts your chances of selling and reselling.)

Sony Fanboy or Ninty fanboy or PC fanboy
Everyone here hates Xbone :lol:

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Microsoft killed Xbox. Period.

NVIDIAGeek said:
Microsoft killed Xbox. Period.

Its worse than that. They're so influential, that the idiotic xbone policies can fck up the entire industry.

Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile • Opinions • Xbox One • Eurogamer.net

Its kinda funny though, when people in that article point out that Steam and Origin do the same, they get downvoted. In the end, people will move on I guess.

NVIDIAGeek said:
Microsoft killed Xbox. Period.

you mean Xbot?

busted!!

Microsoft Has Hired People To Make Positive Comments About Xbox One On Reddit, Contractor Says | Business Insider Australia

Xbox One - The Facts

The publishers will decide the used game policies of third party titles. All Microsoft published titles will allow rental services.
Actually according to Microsoft, they don't view the game as a physical copy, but a piece of code. So they kind of have a licensing tied to the game code.

This access is granted only to the first user and if sold or transferred to a new user, then publishers of that game only have the power to change the license to the new user. Microsoft has no direct role here.
How Microsoft will implement these services remain to be seen. Perhaps all game stores will have a license change counter or something.

This feature although tedious and useless, people will eventually move on. And the console has to be connected once in 24 hrs in order to play games, i.e it needs to call home once a day.
Kinect is not a compulsory device for games that don't need it. It can be turned off and isn't tied to the system.

Microsoft has more exclusives to announce after E3

^

MS

CommanderShawnzer said:
^ MS

Read it carefully. Its not that bad in the long run. Publishers will be forced to allow second hand sales, or else they'll be boycotted. Microsoft has no decision power here.

Shares at Gamestop is increasing.

GameStop shares rise after Xbox One reports

Opinion: Xbox One policy is a lovely marriage proposal to big corporations

Polygon's Chris Plante said:
It's aggressively anti-consumer and anti-middle class, and it outright ignores underprivileged gamers. It's gross, despicable, greedy, pathetic, cowardly and out of touch with a growing global resentment for corporations.

But you guys can ignore this link. After all, Polygon is on M$'s payroll and they will bow down to their unholy ma$ter Steve Ballmer

Links from neogaf

BBC News - Xbox One: Microsoft defends pre-owned games rules
Why gamers hate the Xbox One - TECH.BLORGE.com
Microsoft, Reveals Xbox One Details, It's Mostly All Bad News | Complex
Xbox One kills game ownership, here's what Xbox fans say - Destructoid
Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile • Opinions • Xbox One • Eurogamer.net
Microsoft Confirms Gamers' Fears Over Xbox One - Forbes
Microsoft's Shortsighted Approach Might Have Already Killed Xbox One - Forbes
The Xbox One Might Let Sony's PS4 Win By Default - Forbes
An Xbox One DRM Breakdown - Giant Bomb
The Xbox One Just Had A Very Bad Day
When Will Gamers Say Enough Is Enough?
Microsoft confirms insane Xbox One DRM | Lazygamer .:: The Worlds Best Video Game News ::.
Indie retailers desperate for Xbox One pre-owned answers | Games industry news | MCV
Publishers quiet over Xbox One pre-owned intentions | Games industry news | MCV
Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers | Metro News
Xbox One: It's Made For Publishers, Not For You - NowGamer
Microsoft Xbox One: No Internet? Big Problem | Will Greenwald | PCMag.com
Used Games, Borrowed Games, and the Xbox One | TechnoBuffalo
Xbox One: Unless Microsoft Changes Their Policies, I'm Out | TechnoBuffalo
Xbox One 'always online': What does it mean for gamers? | News | TechRadar
Xbox One will force gamers to stay online after all - TechSpot
Has Microsoft Already Ruined the Xbox One? | Tech Biz
Press Start: Xbox One requires daily net connection, Titanfall from Respawn revealed and more | Technology | guardian.co.uk
Microsoft’s Xbox One: Owning Your Video Games Is So 1994 - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ
Microsoft’s Xbox One Used Games Policies Are Clear as Mud | TIME.com
Xbox One: the record is broken, long live the record | VG247
Xbox One: 10 Shocking Things You Won't Believe » Page 10 of 10
The PA Report - My Internet connection is fine, Microsoft. I’m worried about yours

vickybat said:
Read it carefully. Its not that bad in the long run. Publishers will be forced to allow second hand sales, or else they'll be boycotted. Microsoft has no decision power here.

Shares at Gamestop is increasing.

GameStop shares rise after Xbox One reports

Since when did you start believing what Pachterdamus has to say?

If microsoft has no decision here, why are things so fcked up now?

cyborg47 said:
If microsoft has no decision here, why are things so fcked up now?

They'll eventually get better. Its takes time to accept new norms.

Lets see how all this goes.

vickybat said:
They'll eventually get better. Its takes time to accept new norms.

Lets see how all this goes.

Never. It will never get better, it will only get worse, but people will move on. Look at EA's Origin

^^ Sony seems to be in the same boat. Check the PS4 thread.

cyborg47 said:
If microsoft has no decision here, why are things so fcked up now?

Agreed. Without microshaft this just couldn't happen. Microsoft can tell publishers to GTFO, so even publishers cant push M$ to include something that is anti-consumer.

Their defence is full of elephant poo. I don't know why vicky's behaving like a devil's advocate.

[sarcasm]This boycott of the X1 will be very successful. Just like the HL2 {steam}, BF3 {origin}, MW2 {no russian & UK price increase}, Diablo III {RMAH, removal of authentic SP & always online DRM}, Assassin's Creed II {uplay and always-online drm} & SimCity 2013 {always online DRM, misleading claims} boycotts.[/sarcasm]

Yeah I was expecting that, but at least they don't act pretentious of fake their presentations. Japanese vs American businessmen

Microsoft's "One" Clever Strategy

Nicely written and is simple enough.

*postmediacanadadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/ps410.gif?w=480&h=270&crop=1

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Join this!

Join the Xbox Shun! | Xbox Shun

kind of off topic, the gif i posted, the explosion actually looks that good in the game or its fake?

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cyborg47 said:
kind of off topic, the gif i posted, the explosion actually looks that good in the game or its fake?

Yo, it's Crysis 3. No one has ever gone against Crysis 3 in graphics department. It's teh best! That's real.

Xbox Conference is starting now.

Microsoft Xbox E3 conference

vickybat said:
Xbox Conference is starting now.

Microsoft Xbox E3 conference

I give a grand Total of 0 craps to their conference.

MGS5 debuts in Xbox conference.

The game looks jaw dropping.

*live.polygon.com/xbox-one-e3-live-blog/

Insomniac games with an exclusive for xbox-one :shock:

"Killer instinct".

Crytek's Ryse also makes an appearance. Its exclusive and looks very nice.

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Man, I'm impressed by FM5! Watching it live!

The excitement.... just rocks!

Man, I'm impressed by FM5! Watching it live!

The excitement.... just rocks!

^^ That's great. Enjoyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :))

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vickybat said:
^^ That's great. Enjoyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My excitement requires more of "!", but thanks.

vickybat said:
MGS5 debuts in Xbox conference.

The game looks jaw dropping.

*live.polygon.com/xbox-one-e3-live-blog/

Insomniac games with an exclusive for xbox-one
"Killer instinct".

Crytek's Ryse also makes an appearance. Its exclusive and looks very nice.

I am going blind.Is that what i saw?
Insomniac makes an Exclusive for Xbox One? :shock:

^^ Yup that's right!

Am I the only one who thinks cod is gonna look like a joke in front of all these awesome games?

Capcom announces deadrising 3!!!!!!

This xbox conference so far has been only about games. No TV!

Project Spark :hyper:

That Ryse game seems a little GoW-y to me.....

Another exclusive is "Crimson Dragon" by MS game studios.

Its Japanese in origin. :shock:

Witcher 3 debuts!!!! Oh yeahhhhhh :hyper:

Deadrising 3 is another exclusive.

Witcher 3 has over 100hrs of gameplay and is fully open world. It supports kinect too.

Dead Rising 3 is an exclusive

vickybat said:
This xbox conference so far has been only about games. No TV!

You seriously think they'll bring up the water cooler $hit after all that happened? lol

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The Witcher 3!! :hyper:

Battlefield 4 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

And its at 60fps...take that IW!

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BATTLEFIELD 4!!! :hyper:

^^ yahhooooeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!! :hyper:

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lololol. Fail!

BF4 is intense.

*drools* BF4 @ 60 fps *drools*

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^I actually wished for MP. :<

Chief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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^F*** 'im.

New halo game in 2014.

Another exclusive from blacktusk studios. Never heard of em though.

Titanfall.Seems interesting

499 Euros confirmed
thats 38k converted

Halo runs at 60fps.

Xbox-one-$499 in US!!!!

so around 45k here adding customs & duties.(optimistically,Knowing how generously customs are applied,you could be looking at 50k+)

CommanderShawnzer said:
so around 45k here adding customs & duties.

2 years later for us indians then

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CommanderShawnzer said:
Titanfall.Seems interesting

I feel like it's BF but with Titans as tanks. lols.

CommanderShawnzer said:
so around 45k here adding customs & duties.

You gonna import it?

That's it?! MS conference is over?

Titanfall is for Xbone, xbox 360 and pc. So its a microsoft exclusive.

The conference lived upto the hype. What say guys?? Did it suck in delivering games?? I honestly don't think so.

What about ya!!!!

The defining game for me was MGS5 . Man it was truly next-gen stuff.

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vickybat said:
Titanfall is for Xbone, xbox 360 and pc. So its a microsoft exclusive.

The conference lived upto the hype. What say guys?? Did it suck in delivering games?? I honestly don't think so.

What about ya!!!!

The defining game for me was MGS5 . Man it was truly next-gen stuff.

Actually, nothing made me pull my hairs with excitement liek ACII did back in the day. But got excited about The Witcher 3 and FM5 (maybe because of real-life Mac P1).

NVIDIAGeek said:
I feel like it's BF but with Titans as tanks. lols.

You gonna import it?

That's it?! MS conference is over?

Lol,No.Thats just an estimate about how much it will cost here after an official release by MS.

vickybat said:
Titanfall is for Xbone, xbox 360 and pc. So its a microsoft exclusive.

The conference lived upto the hype. What say guys?? Did it suck in delivering games?? I honestly don't think so.

What about ya!!!!

The defining game for me was MGS5 . Man it was truly next-gen stuff.

It was great, it was going to be. Like I said earlier, people were only unhappy of the first reveal, which MS totally deserved.

Every Gen,Some Pub/Studio ditches Sony and goes multiplatform :lol:

cyborg47 said:
It was great, it was going to be. Like I said earlier, people were only unhappy of the first reveal, which MS totally deserved.

Yup i remember that. You were indeed right.

Ok see ya in the Sony thread for the exclusive reveal of PS4!!!!!!!!!

Man i'm excited. :hyper:

Good there was no DoD shown.

NVIDIAGeek said:
Actually, nothing made me pull my hairs with excitement liek ACII did back in the day. But got excited about The Witcher 3 and FM5 (maybe because of real-life Mac P1).

Time for some Sony stuff now heh.

Did they show Dog Of Duty?

CommanderShawnzer said:
Did they show Dog Of Duty?

It was shown yesterday, for obvious reasons. Activision must be $hitting in their pants knowing the fact that BF4 and Titanfall look and play better than Ghosts.

There's a new slimmer model of xbox 360 unveiled at first. I had kind of missed it. It looks cool.

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that titanfall MP is mind blowing.. I might not buy BF4 after that

CommanderShawnzer said:
so around 45k here adding customs & duties.(optimistically,Knowing how generously customs are applied,you could be looking at 50k+)

..... it wont cost more than 35k. Ps4 will cost around 25k for base sku.

Microsoft delays Xbox One launch in Asia by a whole year, forgets to even mention Japan :facepalm:

Microsoft delays Xbox One launch in Asia by a whole year, forgets to even mention Japan

If you thought November 2013 was too long to wait, bear a thought for Asian gamers who will apparently have to wait those six months, plus an additional twelve, to pick up their Xbox One. According to Alan Bowman, Microsoft's Regional VP for Sales and Marketing in Asia, the new console will launch in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and India around late 2014. (Note the lack of Japan on that list, we're still checking with Microsoft on that.) These are all regions that have been marked as gaming high-growth areas by Microsoft -- the VP added that the Xbox 360 became the top-selling console in Asia this year. The company's also pointed to its next-generation Kinect sensor, one that will work in "dramatically reduced" room spaces and, according Bowman, will be better attuned to Asian gamers who might not have living room space in their homes.

^^ That is not good, considering they have such impressive line-up of exclusives.

Just when I thought Microsoft was trying to redeem themselves, Sony comes in and slaps them. Poor MS

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This time they slapped themselves.. Good going MS..

So I deiced to watch every single direct live before commenting on each compnay's performances.

Over here, Microsoft, EA and Ubi are relevant so:

EA's display was interesting, although not at all exciting. They seem to have copied concepts from Drive Club for their NFS: Rivals game. The new EA Sports engine is pretty good and I especially liked how various animations integrate with each other to create seamless transitions. Also nice was the new collision system being used in EA's UFC game. BF4 was just like BF3 but with better destructive environments and a new commander mode. Otherwise gameplay was almost identical. Satisfactory but not impressive. Visuals only felt slightly improved on the PC version.

Ubisoft had a better showing than EA. Even their cacing game The Crew seems to copy concepts from Drive Club. I didn't like the new Splinter Cell, although the new Rayman was awesome. Their Mighty Quest for Loot looks like a very, very interesting concept and I would like to see more of it in action. The new Rocksmith is decent too. The biggest negative was their tie-up with microshaft for that "Rabbids Invasion was a completely lame-arse concept, and does not really work as they described it would.

I found it easier to forget most of Microsoft's E3 instead of torturing myself with their BS. All I can say is that M$ has already implicitly announced that they don't care about markets outside the US anymore. It doesn't matter that the opening of the conference was done by Kojima and MGS5. Forza Motorsport was meh. The AI is ridiculous and nothing new honestly- machine learning AI have existed for many years now, although it may be the first time for a game to implement it in this scale and depth. The forced cloud integration sucks arse. Why the **** would I want my console to play on behalf of me and ruin my statistics? Their smartglass feature is also rubbish- all of that can be achieved without smartglass. All you need to do is develop the applications for mobile platforms. The Xbox version of BF4 looks graphically identical to Battlefield 3. Ryse Son of Rome was crappy. The animations are not at all seamless and you basically have glorified action sequences. Even though they have most of the employees of the former Vigil Games, they dont seem to have taken much advantage of their capabilities.

Personally, now I'm convinced that I'm not getting an Xbox. Maybe after it drops to $299, multiple successive lawsuits (at least in Europe) get the anti-consumer policies removed and the game region lock is removed, I might consider buying it, but I doubt that. Now I'm thinking of getting a Wii U after the Sony disappointment.

E3 2013: Microsoft press conference review

Every analysis about their press conference is here.

XBOX ONE VS PS4, WHO WON THE E3?

This part made a ton of sense and kind of backs my own comments made about Microsoft's exclusives:

You see, consoles are after all about games, and Microsoft delivered completely on that regard yesterday. They had an impressive showing, with Ryse from Crytek, Forza Motorsport 5 from Turn 10 and Dead Rising 3 from Capcom all looking great, plus quite a few surprises as well, such as Sunset Overdrive from Insomniac Games (the makers of Ratchet & Clank and Resistance series, which is a direct blow to Sony), Crimson Dragon from Panzer Dragoon/Phantom Dust creator, and most of all the comeback of Killer Instinct from Rare. There were also a couple of teasers for Halo 5 and the new Black Tusk game, plus Quantum Break which is still a mystery to me, but I can’t really fault Remedy’s track record: I have faith the game will deliver.

Unfortunately, Sony couldn’t quite match the surprise. They had a quick montage of Killzone: Shadow Fall, Drive Club, Knack and Infamous: Second Son, confirming that the first three will be launching with the console later this year, but Infamous was perhaps the most interesting of them and it got delayed to Q1 2014. Sure, there was some great Square Enix stuff for those who love JRPGs with the Kingdom Hearts 3 announcement, but I was never much of a genre fan to be honest.
What was left, then? The Order 1886, developed by Ready at Dawn. This looks like it could be really interesting, but it was just teased. Overall, I am much more confused after the conferences than I thought I could be; Microsoft and Sony traded blows like fighters in a death-like match, but it is far from over, unlike some may think. In fact, expect many more announcements and surprises in the upcoming months, especially during Gamescom.

MS on Xbox One:Here's why you'll need to be online

How many people actually buy his comments? I don't think he was transparent enough.

Microsoft: "Don't have an internet connection? stick with xbox 360" LOL!

cyborg47 said:
Microsoft: "Don't have an internet connection? stick with xbox 360" LOL!

Sony : No internet for Xbox One? Get a PS4 :grin:

<Insert Kaz Hirai gif here>
MS seriously shouldn't try to act like a badass knowing that their console will suck

Here's a brief showdown from phil spencer:

Maybe consider that it's less of a requirement and more of a benefit. Hear him out on this.

The corporate vice president of Microsoft Studios explained, "I think the critical thing that people should get their head around is your social and gaming identity, and the content that is associated with your identity, and where your identity roams your content roams with you. It's how you expect so much of your content to run today."

Spencer continued: "You want your library to move with you, you want your friends list to move with you. We think the investment in live that we've made over the last 8 years has been really important to growing that capability, and when you think about your gaming library associated with your identity is an incredibly important thing. We're going through that transition right now and gamers will come along."

And when you think about it, the connectivity requirement is not much different from that of other services. Spencer points out that these days people expect their library to be with them.

"Any other device that you own, your library is digital. Frankly, if you're on the PC, or a Steam customer, or an App Store customer on iOS devices -- this is how you think about your library of content."

But what about those that might not expect that the Xbox One would require a connection for use? Spencer points out that people are used to being connected these days.

"There are different constituents out there. I think you have a certain constituency now that has multiple devices. Maybe they have a tablet -- iPad or Surface. They've got a phone. These things connect; nobody thinks about them not. The first thing you do is log into your Wifi. If it wasn't logged in you couldn't even put apps on it if it didn't connect to the Wifi."

So what about internet downtime? Internet restrictions? Additional concerns arise for those with bandwidth limits. Spencer told us that they've worked allowances for these and other cases into the system:

"If you look at the bandwidth requirements for this authentication it's very small. So if you think about something that you've downloaded and you want to go play, the bandwidth requirements are not going to be an issue."

"We understand what the internet is. We've built fault tolerances in our system like we have with Live in our past. We'll continue that. That's why we built this window in. Because we understand that things happen. My internet might go down, I'm in a metered system and I want to make sure I'm monitoring my use of the internet -- we've built to support those ecosystems completely."

I asked if those that have absolutely no access to internet are completely out of luck. It seems they are.

Spencer explained: "I mean the analogy, and I don't know if it's a great analogy… let's say I live in an area that doesn't have cell service. I wouldn't go buy a cell phone. Now, I might roam in different areas where my cellphone becomes active."

He continued: "The 360 ecosystem is a great ecosystem for somebody that's in a purely disconnected state for long periods of time. We have built a natively connected device with Xbox One and we think the experiences are moving in that direction."

Closing, he added, "But we do think the world's moving to digital… Moving? I think it's there in almost every other device I think you own. We want to bring consoles along because I think there's inherent benefits to that. "

The points aren't that much transparent. The 360 one was completely moot.

vickybat said:
Here's a brief showdown from phil spencer:

The points aren't that much transparent. The 360 one was completely moot.

Why give a crap about them?
In India,PS4 will win the console war before it starts ;-)

Many people here don't have broadband(Yep,they have internet access,but through 3g dongles or through thier phones.)
I don't think MS added support for 3g dongles.

vickybat said:
Here's a brief showdown from phil spencer:

The points aren't that much transparent. The 360 one was completely moot.

They're lying when they say that forced internet connection is needed for the library to move with you. There is something known as "logging in" as and when needed, isn't there, microshaft?

And wheres the Guarantee that i will be able to play Xbox One games like, 10 years down the line when the Xbox One will be discontinued?
Will microshaft still have servers for 24-hour authentication?

There are still some foreign Unkils that play games on SNES.

CommanderShawnzer said:
And wheres the Guarantee that i will be able to play Xbox One games like, 10 years down the line when the Xbox One will be discontinued?
Will microshaft still have servers for 24-hour authentication?

There are still some foreign Unkils that play games on SNES.

They might update the console to remove 24h authentication instead

The problem with the feature creep in modern consoles is that over time, they lose their value (features that need the internet don't work anymore). But the classic consoles, such as the NES/ Famicom, N64, Atari Jaguar, NeoGeo etc at least stay exactly the way they used to stay

No matter how much praise Sony gets for PS4, MS will still win with xbone, they are geniuses in terms of marketing.

cyborg47 said:
No matter how much praise Sony gets for PS4, MS will still win with xbone, they are geniuses in terms of marketing.

AmericanDudebro said:
Dooood..... I just got the Xbox One it has NFL and MLB and Netflix and Madden and FIFA and CoD : Ghosts!

yup..

cyborg47 said:
No matter how much praise Sony gets for PS4, MS will still win with xbone, they are geniuses in terms of marketing.

Well they won't win outright but will remain highly competitive and very well in the game. Microsoft secured high marks thanks to their exclusives shown. "Ryse" and "Titanfall" stole the show for me. Both of them showcased real-time gameplay and looked fabulous. Only if these sh!tty restrictions are removed, Xbox-one has great potential to shine.

CommanderShawnzer said:
yup..

The games are great, no doubt. The exclusives have that shine in them and are extremely capable to be potential system sellers.

vickybat said:
Well they won't win outright but will remain highly competitive and very well in the game. Microsoft secured high marks thanks to their exclusives shown. "Ryse" and "Titanfall" stole the show for me. Both of them showcased real-time gameplay and looked fabulous. Only if these sh!tty restrictions are removed, Xbox-one has great potential to shine.

Mark my word, Ryse will fail badly, worse than how bad crysis 3 failed, its nothing but a 6 hour QTE mess. Titanfall was great, but its also a PC title too and a timed exclusive, will probably release on PS3/4 a year later, would love to see the game dethrone Ghosts(most probably will).
The only way MS is gonna win, just like this gen, cater the crap out of the casuals/family audience, and their TV marketing has worked on a lot of people.

cyborg47 said:
Mark my word, Ryse will fail badly, worse than how bad crysis 3 failed, its nothing but a 6 hour QTE mess. Titanfall was great, but its also a PC title too and a timed exclusive, will probably release on PS3/4 a year later, would love to see the game dethrone Ghosts(most probably will).
The only way MS is gonna win, just like this gen, cater the crap out of the casuals/family audience, and their TV marketing has worked on a lot of people.

The QTE is optional. Notice the button pressing highlights ( press the "B" button). They are simply alternate execution sequences. You can still kill the enemy by conventional combo strikes.
Its not forced at all. The voice acting seemed good too. I don't think it'll fail. Let's watch this space though. Its also a launch title for the console.

Titanfall is a timed exclusive?? Will it come to PS4 later?

Exclusives like Forza, sunset overdrive, killer instinct , quantum break, won't be ignored by many.

Man i've become a fan of RYSE.

PS4 vs Xbox One In-Depth Stats Comparison

P.S I'm glad MGSV is in PS4. I thought it was a timed exclusive or something. It wasn't there in the wiki page until now.

vickybat said:
The QTE is optional. Notice the button pressing highlights ( press the "B" button). They are simply alternate execution sequences. You can still kill the enemy by conventional combo strikes.
Its not forced at all. The voice acting seemed good too. I don't think it'll fail. Let's watch this space though. Its also a launch title for the console.

Titanfall is a timed exclusive?? Will it come to PS4 later?

Exclusives like Forza, sunset overdrive, killer instinct , quantum break, and MGSV ( No PS4 launch and its surprising) won't be ignored by many.

SNIP

Man i've become a fan of RYSE.

If your QTE events are optional, why are they preceded by slowdowns of time?

Voice acting was good? :rofl:

They probably chose a terrible voice-actor. Also, the expressions looked crap.

Once the game gives control to the user, everything goes downhill.

Forza looked meh, the new AI scheme is crap (another example of spying).

MGSV is exclusive to Xbox?! No.

Killer Instinct 2013 looks like a Street Fighter IV/ SFxT clone (art style and appearance), is free2play and only one character is free

The fact that it is co-developed by a shovelware company (Double Helix) brings more negativity towards it. When M$ bought Rare, most of the talent from the company left.

waoh! too many gifs!

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@Extreme_Gamer: Now that's just kiddish.

NVIDIAGeek said:
@Extreme_Gamer: Now that's just kiddish.

Excuse me?

The Gifs, keep it one per post please

Extreme Gamer said:
If your QTE events are optional, why are they preceded by slowdowns of time?

Voice acting was good? They probably chose a terrible voice-actor. Also, the expressions looked crap.

Once the game gives control to the user, everything goes downhill.

Forza looked meh, the new AI scheme is crap (another example of spying).

MGSV is exclusive to Xbox?! No.

Killer Instinct 2013 looks like a Street Fighter IV/ SFxT clone (art style and appearance), is free2play and only one character is free

The fact that it is co-developed by a shovelware company (Double Helix) brings more negativity towards it. When M$ bought Rare, most of the talent from the company left.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if you ignore all the facts in front of you because

Extreme Gamer, you know that we had a lot of problems regarding console sections lately. I don't have any issues with your opinion but there is a better way to put those. Was there any requirement of posting those insulting images in your post? And look, everybody suggested against it. Please be a little polite while posting.

Extreme Gamer said:
If your QTE events are optional, why are they preceded by slowdowns of time?

You'll find your answers here:

Ryse - QTE's are optional execution moves - NeoGAF

Just on the Gamespot stream a dev explained what the QTEs are about. You can basically trigger an execution move and have a QTE minigame during the execution instead of a uninterrupted canned animation. He promises they have a mature sword/shield combat system underneath.

Extreme Gamer said:
MGSV is exclusive to Xbox?! No.

I'm really glad that its coming to PS4. Last time i checked the wiki page had no mention of PS4.
Edited my previous post regarding this info.

Cilus said:
Extreme Gamer, you know that we had a lot of problems regarding console sections lately. I don't have any issues with your opinion but there is a better way to put those. Was there any requirement of posting those insulting images in your post? And look, everybody suggested against it. Please be a little polite while posting.

Fine, I'll be less rude next time

disclaimer: I hope you know I'm joking about being "less rude", lol

vickybat said:
You'll find your answers here:

Ryse - QTE's are optional execution moves - NeoGAF

I'm really glad that its coming to PS4. Last time i checked the wiki page had no mention of PS4.
Edited my previous post regarding this info.

@Vicky, in case these QTE's are all optional, then I hope the combat is more slick next time. The enemies appear really weak, there is a lot of hand-holding, the animations are not cohesively linked, and the acting is unimpressive.

The first QTE in the trailer looks forced though.

Anyway, another poster at GAF says

Just on the Gamespot stream a dev explained what the QTEs are about. You can basically trigger an execution move and have a QTE minigame during the execution instead of a uninterrupted canned animation. He promises they have a mature sword/shield combat system underneath.

Click to expand...

I don't believe him one second. No chance this game has a deep fighting system.

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Extreme Gamer said:
Anyway, another poster at GAF says

Has he played it? Seems like he's a troll.

If the game had any kind of depth in combat, it would have been in the presentation, like some kind of combo system. Crytek rather showed the same old thing they're good at, selling tech demos.

*Senses a ban incoming to someone*

On-Topic.
I liked Ryse.Even though there were lots of QTE's :grin:

cyborg47 said:
Microsoft: "Don't have an internet connection? stick with xbox 360" LOL!

They are digging their own grave...and what a way to show middle finger to ppl that don't have an proper internet connection :S

What did I do now

UPDATE:

*art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-fWkgG24/0/950x10000/i-fWkgG24-950x10000.jpg

Microsoft defends the Xbox One’s licensing, used game policies

Xbox One's E3 showing "very unprofessionally done," says Molyneux

This guy is being a bit harsh. The content they showed was no doubt top notch. Ultimately, the games is what that matters and it did.

Cliffy B: Numbers Don’t Work to Allow Used Games, “Disc Based Day one $60 Model is Crumbling”

This guy does have a point, from a pure industry sense and not consumer satisfaction.

Next-Generation Consoles Sized-Up

Xbox-One looks huge. It perhaps is the largest console to launch in entire gaming history.

vickybat said:
Next-Generation Consoles Sized-Up

Xbox-One looks huge. It perhaps is the largest console to launch in entire gaming history.

Reminds you of the days of the humble VCR eh?

Xbox-One exclusives so far:

Below: An indie roguelike from the guys behind the excellent Sword and Sworcery EP on iOS.
Crimson Dragon: A spiritual sequel to Panzer Dragoon. Ride on the back of a dragon and shoot stuff!
D4: An episodic murder mystery from the crazy genius Swery 51. We already like it.
Dead Rising 3: Can you survive in a city overrun by bloodthistry zombies? Everything you see can be a weapon.
Fantasia: Music Evolved: A Disney motion controlled rhythm action game developed by Harmonix.
Forza Motorspot 5: The return of what many consider to be the best racing game series in the world today.
Halo 5: We know it's coming, but we don't know when... or anything else, really.
Killer Instinct: A free to play reboot of the old Rare fighting game.
Kinect Sports Rivals: More gesticulating wildly in front of a television in a weird pastiche of real sports.
LocoCycle: Get dragged along the desert by a sentient military motorcycle. Yep, it's pretty weird.
Project Spark: A strange mixture of world building and base defending using innovative voice control.
Quantum Break: The new game from Remedy which blends live action video with sections of gameplay.
Ryse: Son Of Rome: Historical hack and slash from Crytek set in ancient Rome.
Sunset Overdrive: An open world shooter from Insomniac Games, previously famous for their partnership with Sony.
Titanfall: A new sci-fi FPS IP from Respawn, a studio created by old Infinity Ward members.
Zoo Tycoon: Microsoft's classic zoo management strategy game comes to console.

Seriously, how is a fcking physical power button holding back the industry? more douchebaggery from MS

*i.imgur.com/J0j04Er.jpg

vickybat said:
Cliffy B: Numbers Don’t Work to Allow Used Games, “Disc Based Day one $60 Model is Crumbling”

This guy does have a point, from a pure industry sense and not consumer satisfaction.

Not trying to be a fanboy or anything, but Sony isn't that kind of company, may be they did have similar plans, but not as idiotic and imposing as Microsoft's. MS is simply being american, spying on people, charging them based on that, idiots.

@Vicky: Zoo Tycone is not an X1 exclusive. Apparently it is also coming out for X360 according to the wiki.

But I'd like to see the PC version. Given how games of it's kind tend to suck with controllers, I would be surprised if a PC version did not come out, even if some time later.

IIRC Titanfall is coming to PC as well.

Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live countries listed

darkv0id said:
IIRC Titanfall is coming to PC as well.

And you do remember correctly.

CommanderShawnzer said:
Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live countries listed

Most Asian countries aren't listed.

CommanderShawnzer said:
Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live countries listed

Does that mean if I import the console, I can't play the imported games from that region? Even if I make a foreign address account?

That would be greater than retarded. Basically M$ was doing it for the moolah, and now they don't even want my money

DISCLAIMER: Neither do I want, nor will I buy an X1. This is nothing more than a hypothesis.

Extreme Gamer said:
Does that mean if I import the console, I can't play the imported games from that region? Even if I make a foreign address account?

That would be greater than retarded. Basically M$ was doing it for the moolah, and now they don't even want my money

DISCLAIMER: Neither do I want, nor will I buy an X1. This is nothing more than a hypothesis.

M$ was greedy first.Now they're Racist Greedy
No love for the Yellow man,The Brown Man and the Black Maan.

CommanderShawnzer said:
M$ was greedy first.Now they're Racist Greedy
No love for the Yellow man,The Brown Man and the Black Maan.

priceless.

CommanderShawnzer said:
M$ was greedy first.Now they're Racist Greedy
No love for the Yellow man,The Brown Man and the Black Maan.

Actually, they seem to hate the yellow man. After all, the crapsole will launch in India before it will in Japan.

I think many people will flood M$ (in India at least) with calls that their games are not working. After that expect multiple complaints in consumer forum.

Unless Microsoft uses the media here properly to make sure 99% of the console gamers here know that the internet is required for the console to function.

Extreme Gamer said:
I think many people will flood M$ (in India at least) with calls that their games are not working. After that expect multiple complaints in consumer forum.

You mean to say that the indian gamers are not smart enough to know the xbone policies before buying the console?

Extreme Gamer said:
Actually, they seem to hate the yellow man. After all, the crapsole will launch in India before it will in Japan.

I think many people will flood M$ (in India at least) with calls that their games are not working. After that expect multiple complaints in consumer forum.

Unless Microsoft uses the media here properly to make sure 99% of the console gamers here know that the internet is required for the console to function.

Xbox 360 is very much a fail in Japan.So you can understand why they don't want to launch it there.
I don't think M$ will give a crap about Advertising.People will know about the suckiness of the X bone here through word of mouth.

RandomPoorIndianTeenager said:
Abey Yaar! EksBoks mat le usko internet use karna padta hai games chaloo karne ke liye

RandomPoorIndianTeenager#2 said:
Theek hai yaar.Mai PS phor leta hoon.Usme to Multi-player free hai na

@ bold

Basically,a console's success in India depends on how fast it is Hacked.

cyborg47 said:
You mean to say that the indian gamers are not smart enough to know the xbone policies before buying the console?

*Most Indian Gamers.
Like the people who are in college.The engineer kind who faps to things he cannot buy even if he gets 95%
The kind who studies so hard he forgets the world around him.
Okey.Thats a description of a Nerd.Sorry.
The typical indian gamer is a creature that plays CS,FIFA,NFS,GTA:SA and did i mention CS?
All Pirated.

cyborg47 said:
You mean to say that the indian gamers are not smart enough to know the xbone policies before buying the console?

I said "many" didn't I? Like it or not, most Indian gamers will not bother to find out and won't learn it unless it is the hard way. I personally know many people who are like that.

I do expect many customers to argue at places like Planet M with the employees because they refuse to take the console back.

I didn't say I was disagreeing with you

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CommanderShawnzer said:
Most of them* Pirated.

Like some of us?

And also, no Japan = no buy.

NVIDIAGeek said:
Like some of us?

And also, no Japan = no buy.

He was calling the games, not the gamers 'all'.

Shawnzer you should also specify the versions for CS and FIFA

FAIL

Best Buy E3 Experience events being ambushed by Microsoft in order to push Xbox One? | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

cyborg47 said:
FAIL

Best Buy E3 Experience events being ambushed by Microsoft in order to push Xbox One? | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

hahahahahaha!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I hope they got trolled bad by the nintendonerds!

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cyborg47 said:
FAIL

Best Buy E3 Experience events being ambushed by Microsoft in order to push Xbox One? | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

Are they gonna fall on each of the potential buyers feet now?? wow..

Xbox One: public reaction will only be complete once product is on the shelf, says Spencer | VG247

Everyone already knows everything they need to know, Spencer

*penny-arcade.com/report/article/xb...ames-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details

*arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

You can share games between 10 people if they count as "family" and those people can play the games at their friend's places too. Why they would go for such a complex system I do not understand...

EA: "We don't have a problem with second-hand sales as they are today"

We’ve known Microsoft’s thoughts on next-gen DRM enforcement (to leave it up to individual publishers) for a while now, but Sony only recently confirmed that it won’t be having any of it. However, the fact still stands that Sony cannot prevent third-party publishers from restricting the use/sale of their games, so there’s still a bit of a gray area. Luckily, that gray area has become a bit clearer thanks to a statement from EA (via Eurogamer) that at least partially details their thoughts on the infamously draconian DRM.

Patrick Söderlund, EA Games Label boss, recently clarified that EA doesn’t “have a problem with second-hand sales as they are today. We clearly articulated our stance when we abandoned the Online Pass.” On the subject, Söderlund explained that the decision to terminate the Online Pass system was “because we talked to people, our fans and our players, and they said, ‘Listen, we don’t want to play our games like this.’ We have to listen to them and we removed it. It’s that simple.”

It seems EA aren't playing spoil sport in this regard. Hopefully, Activision and Ubisoft follow along the same lines.

vickybat said:
EA: "We don't have a problem with second-hand sales as they are today"

It seems EA aren't playing spoil sport in this regard. Hopefully, Activision and Ubisoft follow along the same lines.

They're lying.

They don't need the online pass anymore, now that they make everyone use Origin.

Perhaps the situation will be better on consoles though.

Microsoft’s Don Mattrick Stands Silent As George Lucas and Steven Spielberg Diss Video Games but Praise Kinect

Lucas and Spielberg Insult Video Games

Hmm, both of them have a point. They want games to do away with conventional violent approach and mindless shooting of enemies.
Maybe the are pointing at games like Heavy Rain,ICO and something similar in lines.

vickybat said:
Microsoft’s Don Mattrick Stands Silent As George Lucas and Steven Spielberg Diss Video Games but Praise Kinect

Lucas and Spielberg Insult Video Games

Hmm, both of them have a point. They want games to do away with conventional violent approach and mindless shooting of enemies.
Maybe the are pointing at games like Heavy Rain,ICO and something similar in lines.

Their comments were dumb. They talked like they hadn't heard of RPGs, of visual novels, a significant number of TPSes and FPSes (those with a story focus, not action focus and so usually the single player component only), some hack and slash games and strategy games etc.

I can't believe Lucas actually said that. The story of The Force Unleashed 1 was one of the key driving points of the success of the game. Is he telling me he doesn't even know video games made by his own (at that time) company?

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So much for QTEs being optional :facepalm:

Ryse QTEs complete themselves even if you don't press any buttons or press wrong buttons.

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I Love 'Murica

/s

DORITOS!!!!!!!!!!!

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EDIT - Here's some gamer feedback on Ryse at E3

I’m on the battlefield. I’m stomping through the corpses of my comrades swinging my sword at anything that moves. I begin a combo, I slash twice and then whooom slow motion is initiated, **** is about to get ‘cinematic’. A button prompt hovers elusively above the sword I’m about to drive into the throat of my enemy… argh I’m too slow! The prompt flickers, disappears.

I missed it. Damn.

But then somehow, for some reason, I still complete the cinematic ‘kill’.

What?

Maybe it’s a bug I think, but no. Next time I deliberately press the wrong button. The kill goes ahead, no consequences. Then I try hitting no buttons whatsoever. The kill goes ahead. I put the controller on the table in front of me, the kill goes ahead.

What is going on here?

I ask one of the Crytek people hovering at the booth – is this a bug? Why am I completing kills when I hit the wrong button prompt? Or, worse, no button at all. Turns out it was a deliberate design choice.

“We don’t want the player to feel frustrated,” I am told.

Interesting....I heard the QTE's could be turned off completely or ignored.

This is worse than cod

^^ so all you need to do is get close to the enemy

the game does the rest :lol:

cyborg47 said:
DORITOS!!!!!!!!!!!

*25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u58qLNvu1rwcc6bo1_250.gif

EDIT - Here's some gamer feedback on Ryse at E3

This is worse than cod

Oh man, then its definitely a bad decision from the developers part.

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CommanderShawnzer said:
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I Love 'Murica
/s

That's scarily true. You can't just ignore the fact that America's the best.

NVIDIAGeek said:
That's scarily true. You can't just ignore the fact that America's the best.

Dayum.Hell Yeah.
The US of A is the best.

/s

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CommanderShawnzer said:
Dayum.Hell Yeah.
The US of A is the best.

/s

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THIS JUST IN:

Even microsoft isn't using Windows 8!

They're using Hewlett-Packard branded Windows 7 PCs for the Xbox One :lol:

The tweet:
*www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234074.jpg

The picture of the crash:
*pbs.twimg.com/media/BMu7UCsCcAAzUtv.jpg:large

I see a rather high-end PC inside (corsair watercooling setup at that, lol).

*www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234242.jpg

Source: Xbox E3 games were running on Windows 7 with Nvidia GTX 7xx cards - Cinemablend

Even though the Xbox GPU is supposed to have power similar to the HD 7790, they need a GTX 770/780/Titan lol? And they don't even use Windows 8? :rofl:

Important segment:

Truth be told, none of this should be a surprise to most people given that all E3 demos run their games on high-end PCs; it's a smoke and mirrors circus to sell the idea of the game, sort of like how pro wrestling sells the idea of fighting despite being scripted. We should all be used to it by now and it's just common practice [from most studios] given that the dev kits or comparable specs aren't usually finalized at this point.

However, in this particular case it does look bad on Microsoft's end that they didn't even trust to run the games from their latest Windows 8 operating system. As many people questioned on Twitter, why not Windows 8? Heck, Windows 8 is what one of the Xbox One's operating systems is based on. Opting for Windows 7 during E3 seems like Microsoft may not have had the confidence in their latest OS to put on the show they required or demo the games in the best of light.

I suppose the only real damning thing about this kind of exposure is that Microsoft didn't even use “comparable specs" from the company providing them with video cards in their home console. For those of you who don't know the Xbox One will run on a modified AMD GPU that, according to Extreme Tech, is on the level of a mid-ranged Radeon 7790. I guess the 7790 wasn't powerful enough for the Xbox One's E3 games eh? They needed a real manly card like the GTX 780, eh?

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^More and more games are using PhysX like The Witcher 3, Arkham Origins and I think it's better to move on to a NVIDIA GPU and do justice to my user ID.

NVIDIAGeek said:
^More and more games are using PhysX like The Witcher 3, Arkham Origins and I think it's better to move on to a NVIDIA GPU and do justice to my user ID.

How is that relevant in an Xbox discussion, lol?

US Military soldiers wont buy an Xbox

*i.imgur.com/AydA1KL.jpg

Anyone notice something strange in the pic? (apart from the low polycount)

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Extreme Gamer said:
How is that relevant in an Xbox discussion, lol?

No PhysX awesomeness for Xbox games? And also for boycotting Xbox.

Extreme Gamer said:
They're using Hewlett-Packard branded Windows 7 PCs for the Xbox One

The tweet:
*www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234074.jpg

Source: Xbox E3 games were running on Windows 7 with Nvidia GTX 7xx cards - Cinemablend

Even though the Xbox GPU is supposed to have power similar to the HD 7790, they need a GTX 770/780/Titan lol? And they don't even use Windows 8?

Important segment:

Awesome, may be we'll get an emulator xbone on PC. HALO!

NVIDIAGeek said:
^More and more games are using PhysX like The Witcher 3, Arkham Origins and I think it's better to move on to a NVIDIA GPU and do justice to my user ID.

Yup you're right. Witcher 3 supports physx.

The Witcher 3 will support GPU PhysX, now officially | PhysXInfo.com - PhysX News

Xbox One may not be able to be sold used

Another possible blow. What the heck is M$ thinking??

Xbox One Games At E3 Were Running On Windows 7 With Nvidia GTX Cards

:rofl:

Supposed Microsoft Engineer Speaks Out on Xbox One DRM; It's All Fake

"PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things..."

They better have some good reasons or else, Xbox one is doomed.

ugh!! why physx?!

vickybat said:
Xbox One Games At E3 Were Running On Windows 7 With Nvidia GTX Cards

I've already posted that :/

Extreme Gamer said:
I've already posted that :/

Yeah just saw it. It was extremely hilarious. :razz:

cyborg47 said:
ugh!! why physx?!

Its making a strong comeback with its latest tool-set and simulation effects. The sdk is already licensed for PS4.
GPU physics has more potential than cpu physics. Consoles are also moving to GPU physics, so pc won't get left behind.
PS4 version of witcher 3 will also use physx and will supposedly run in amd card. :razz:

The restriction in desktops is superficial and imposed by Nvidia , not for technical but marketing reasons.

I guess havok , bullet and other physics engines will run on GPU in future. Havok in PS4 will also run in GPU.

vickybat said:
Xbox One may not be able to be sold used

Another possible blow. What the heck is M$ thinking??

Misleading article.

*i.imgur.com/rtItP4b.jpg

I took this screenshot (and cropping and merging etc to make the whole conversation visible).

So the hardware can indeed be sold.

^^ That's good for Microsoft then. Please use spoiler tags for large images.

vickybat said:
^^ That's good for Microsoft then. Please use spoiler tags for large images.

This is a 192KB image, lol.

For some reason the forum didn't resize it. Many of my previous pictures were though.

Extreme Gamer said:
This is a 192KB image, lol.

For some reason the forum didn't resize it. Many of my previous pictures were though.

Large in the sense as it appears visually. So would you please put it within spoiler tags?

vickybat said:
Large in the sense as it appears visually. So would you please put it within spoiler tags?

Your request is granted

Win a special Mountain Dew & Doritos Xbox One Promotional Package

so many Xbox PR guys commenting :lol:

Banned Xbox Live Accounts Lose Access To All Xbox One Games

BURN XBOX BURN!!

E3 PS4 Games ran on dev hardware, not high-end PCs

Microshaft just got hanged, drawn, and quartered :rofl:

Talk about royally screwing up, lol...

Read this:

Jonathan Blow said:
During Microsoft’s press show I was impressed by how good the games looked given the console’s specs. But if they weren’t running on those specs then it becomes pretty questionable.

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MICROSOFT IS SCUM :-x

I got thrown in Microsoft 'Jail' for taking pictures of nothing

In Theory: Can next-gen fulfill the 1080p60 dream?

The Good News About Xbox One That Microsoft Brushed Right Over

The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for **** value with nothing going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

t's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm **** as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted ****.

There's actually much more to this DRM thing. It might make some sense in the long run. Current prices of AAA titles is just too expensive and out of reach for most.
Let's see, what this move does to the pricing system.

The industry's business model is no child's play to judge.

vickybat said:
In Theory: Can next-gen fulfill the 1080p60 dream?

The Good News About Xbox One That Microsoft Brushed Right Over

There's actually much more to this DRM thing. It might make some sense in the long run. Current prices of AAA titles is just too expensive and out of reach for most.
Let's see, what this move does to the pricing system.

The industry's business model is no child's play to judge.

That microsoft (supposedly) employee forgets that the $60 price wasn't standard prior to steam. It was $50. After steam came out, devs started charging $60 when they found that this was a great way to make money AND help deter people from sharing their games.

I don't know why he thinks publishers will play ball and reduce the prices of each game. And it doesn't explain why kinect is forced and always on, as well as the E3 shenanigans

Oh F microsoft, do they seriously need to compare xbone to steam?

cyborg47 said:
Oh F microsoft, do they seriously need to compare xbone to steam?

I thought of the Xbox as the console version of steam before they even said it. Fact is, unfortunately, that the console is indeed like that.

But they're stupid if they think that will cause the prices of the games to go down.

Did Microsoft Demand that Amazon Remove Their PS4 vs Xbox One Poll Because They’re Sore Losers?

*i.imgur.com/mSjqNf7.jpg

Now this is what i call negative tactics. I guess Microsoft's DRM plans has backfired significantly.

Microsoft defends Xbox One $500 price point--"We're over-delivering value"

Xbox boss Don Mattrick says when compared to other modern products, $500 is not a "ridiculous" price point.

The next-gen gaming consoles- analysed by a non-gaming website.

I wish more of our gaming websites were this rational and unemotional.

P.S. I've x-posted this on the PS4 thread as well.

Microsoft Says Windows 7, Nvidia GTX PCs At E3 Were Xbox One Dev Kits

Now this is complete foul play from Microsoft's part. How can they relate xbox-one's performance by running alpha build on a GTX 780 and a high end Intel cpu??

They are even trying to defend themselves.

Xbox One’s DRM Explained

Just don't expect Xbox One games to look remotely similar when they actually launch for the console, given that they were running on a card that costs more than the system itself and is more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 combined.

Now that's the best press comment I've seen for the whole of E3 and in this next gen console war :lol:

This console war just got x1000 more interesting.

Xbox One Will neither Require Internet, nor Restrict Used Games

As cynical as I might want to be, I can't see this as anything other than good news. At the very least, it shows that when we decide to vote with our wallets, companies do listen.

But they should consider changing the name of the console to Xbox 180.

EDIT: The official announcement on the Xbox site.

darkv0id said:
This console war just got x1000 more interesting.

Xbox One Will neither Require Internet, nor Restrict Used Games

As cynical as I might want to, I can't see this as anything other than good news. At the very least, it shows that when we decide to vote with our wallets, companies do listen.

But they should consider changing the name of the console to Xbox 180.

Good to see them changing the policies, but that 'We're listening' PR line sounds BS, lol. Its nothing but damage control. They've realized that their silly policies are doing nothing but damaging the business. MS is a greedy company, they proved it already. Who knows what they might bring up after getting their business momentum right? fking american corporates.
Not that gamers shouldn't go for Xbox or anything, but I personally wouldn't trust them right away.

cyborg47 said:
Good to see them changing the policies, but that 'We're listening' PR line sounds BS, lol. Its nothing but damage control. They've realized that their silly policies are doing nothing but damaging the business. MS is a greedy company, they proved it already. Who knows what they might bring up after getting their business momentum right? fking american corporates.
Not that gamers shouldn't go for Xbox or anything, but I personally wouldn't trust them right away.

You read my mind. Again, the cynic in me knows that the PR machine at MS will put a positive spin on this, but the reality is- MS' u-turn proves that all that always online DRM was just plain unnecessary in the first place.

I think they were not meeting even half of their initial sales forecasts.

That is the only thing which could have made this happen.

Now, Xbox haters will say either or both or a variation of the following:

1. Microsoft had draconian drm plans before, so I wont buy it.
2. Microsoft doesnt have the cojones to back their plans, so I won't buy it.

Interestingly, what was noticable in it's absence was a comment on our resident living room spy

(it should be obvious what I'm talking about) Sony still has ammunition

(our console doesnt spy on you)
Also, sony could announce free online multiplayer to 1up microsoft.

And then, there is a possibility that future updates could reimplement the xbox drm (press might not run it because m$ could stagger the implementation over multiple patches).
Personally I'm waiting for a compatibility layer to run X1 games on PC

As usual, the internet predicted the future.

*i.imgur.com/1iD7IHu.png

Original Link.

Whether or not this was a masterstroke remains to be seen...in sales data :twisted:

darkv0id said:
This console war just got x1000 more interesting.

Xbox One Will neither Require Internet, nor Restrict Used Games

As cynical as I might want to be, I can't see this as anything other than good news. At the very least, it shows that when we decide to vote with our wallets, companies do listen.

But they should consider changing the name of the console to Xbox 180.

EDIT: The official announcement on the Xbox site.

This is good news. Xbox should not fail for sake of the industry. It would have been a huge blow.
Sony also had a huge part to play on this. If they would have went the DRM way, then gamers would have been doomed, or at least forced to adapt to the new policies.

Now the fight will be a proper one, i.e between games and who provides more quality content in the long run. No more sh!tty DRM battles.

vickybat said:
This is good news. Xbox should not fail for sake of the industry. It would have been a huge blow.
Sony also had a huge part to play on this. If they would have went the DRM way, then gamers would have been doomed, or at least forced to adapt to the new policies.

Now the fight will be a proper one, i.e between games and who provides more quality content in the long run. No more sh!tty DRM battles.

Sony going the DRM way would mean more sales for the Wii U, and it would definitely benefit the industry.

Extreme Gamer said:
Sony going the DRM way would mean more sales for the Wii U, and it would definitely benefit the industry.

Nope, if both Sony and Microsoft had failed, then the entire gaming industry would have doomed along with the Wii-U.
The console market would have ceased to exist or forced to evolve into a different model.

Even now i think that the Wii-U should not fail too. It will again be bad for the industry.
Thankfully, it was out of the DRM issues from day one. Now some good original and new IP's can turn tide in its favor.

$499 is not that much of an issue for Microsoft, considering they are bundling a next gen Kinect camera.
Things at Amazon should change now considering these turn of events.

vickybat said:
Nope, if both Sony and Microsoft had failed, then the entire gaming industry would have doomed along with the Wii-U.
The console market would have ceased to exist or forced to evolve into a different model.

So basically, you're saying that people who aren't nintendo fans inherently hate the Wii U?

You're saying they would not choose Option C (or rather 'N' in this case)?

Microsoft Masters the Moonwalk

You're silence speaks volumes, you know. Dismiss others' statements when you can back them up with something.

I wouldn't call the Xbox stand reversal a moonwalk either. It's more like waking up from a PR nightmare.

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Now, X1 has become a hell of a competitor with all the awesome exclusives.

Xbox One DRM Reversal Cuts Features, Requires One-Time Connection

UPDATE: Microsoft clarifies that the planned day-one Xbox One update, which Whitten told me, will "complete some of the software that won’t be there," is actually not a result of today's DRM policy change. Rather, it was always planned and will simply be required for playing off-line, among other things. Not a patch, they say. But, yes, your new Xbox console would have to connect online once in order to do the things Microsoft described today. And then you can keep it offline and play games without re-connecting to the Internet forever.

NVIDIAGeek said:
Now, X1 has become a hell of a competitor with all the awesome exclusives.

Touche!!!!

I think the day one connection was always required, regardless of whether they changed their DRM plans or not. Now they would just modify their day one update to make all these changes.

Good news.

Otherwise the only reason it would have been called Xbox One was because it took 359 steps backwards. Now a 180 degree turn.

ico said:
Good news.

Otherwise the only reason it would have been called Xbox One was because it took 359 steps backwards. Now a 180 degree turn.

Hehe nice analogy.

Sony,Now make God Of War IV and show Microshaft who's Boss.

Xbox One Overtakes PS4 Hours After DRM Reversal

Amazon.com Best Sellers: Best Video Games

XBOX is back in business.

Japanese Gamers React to Xbox One Changes

Other Japanese game creators, such as Akihiro Hino, have also expressed interest in making Xbox One games. Hino, best known for Professor Layton, told Dengeki Online, "Using the Kinect interface, I'd like to make a role-playing game that allows you to really have a conversation."

Things are looking a bit positive for Xbox in japan.

PS4 vs Xbox One - Pre-Order Totals to June 15th 2013

Xbox One - Top 10 Pre-orders

1. Battlefield 4
2. Dead Rising 3
3. Ryse: Son of Rome
4. Madden NFL 25
5. Call of Duty: Ghosts
6. Watch Dogs
7. Forza Motorsport 5
8. Kinect Sports Rivals
9. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
10. Need for Speed Rivals

PS4 vs. Xbox One vs. Wii U Comparison Chart

This more like a specification comparison.

I want to buy both consoles now. :wub:

But i will have to loot a bank for that

Bleszinski: Microsoft Changed DRM Due to Sony, Not Fans

Rightly said. Some comparisons with steam were worthwhile.

vickybat said:
Xbox One Overtakes PS4 Hours After DRM Reversal

Amazon.com Best Sellers: Best Video Games

The Amazon chart in question is a bit...... misleading, since it's based on the preorders of the past one hour only.

A more comprehensive list would be this, since this one shows preorders since the start of the year.

darkv0id said:
The Amazon chart in question is a bit...... misleading, since it's based on the preorders of the past one hour only.

A more comprehensive list would be this, since this one shows preorders since the start of the year.

You're absolutely right about Amazon's charts. So far the Xbox has sold 45k units if I'm not mistaken.

Microsoft “Prepared” to Lower Xbox One Price in 2014 – Analyst.

Considering the price of PS4, Xbox-One is relatively overpriced, despite having slightly downgraded specs. It should come down at some point of time, hopefully next year.

vickybat said:
Microsoft “Prepared” to Lower Xbox One Price in 2014 – Analyst.

Considering the price of PS4, Xbox-One is relatively overpriced, despite having slightly downgraded specs. It should come down at some point of time, hopefully next year.

PS4 does not include the motion camera. it must be bought separately AFAIK its $59 , so Xbox One is just $41 more than PS4 if you consider the motion controller too.

^^ Yeah but the motion camera doesn't have widespread adoption by developers yet. Forcing it is kind of unnecessary.
Sony is giving a choice to customers of buying the core product at a cheaper price.

PS4 also has the beefier GPU to boast and that too again at a cheaper price.

RCuber said:
PS4 does not include the motion camera. it must be bought separately AFAIK its $59 , so Xbox One is just $41 more than PS4 if you consider the motion controller too.

And yet it is also slower. So it should be at ~$420-$450 at the most, assuming the kinect camera is more expensive to make than the Eye.

PlayStation 4 vs Xbox One: Which one has the better gaming controller?

The brutal rivalry between the Sony PlayStation 4 and Microsoft Xbox One is surely one of epic proportions. Specs sheets are being thrown left and right as arguments in favor of one console or the other, exclusive titles get analyzed and compared, while each company is using every possible occasion to strike at its opponent. Sometimes, though, we can get a bit carried away in our silly little arguments, focusing on small details that don’t always have a profound impact on our gaming experience. We do tend to forget the importance of some fundamental features of every game console, such as the controller.

In the case of the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4, we really have two very different gamepads that will surely make hacking and slashing your enemies that much different depending on which console you decide to side with. Let’s take a closer look at the expected pros and cons of both the Xbox One controller, and the PlayStation 4 controller, or the so-called DualShock 4!

1. Build quality
If there’s something characteristic about the Xbox controllers, it’s that despite their bulkiness, users simply find them very comfortable and reliable. Of course, we can’t be sure yet if this will be valid for the Xbox One’s controller in the long run, but if history is to repeat itself, then it means that the next-gen Xbox will easily win this one, as PlayStation controllers have traditionally been prone to various malfunctions after being subjected to some heavier usage (word has it that console controllers take the harshest beating right after a lost game).

2. Key layout and features
So, the standard buttons are present on both devices, including directional D-pad, dual analog sticks and four action keys, with the Xbox One controller keeping its characteristic positioning of the analogs. A new feature of the PS4 controller is the touchpad, positioned right in the center. While we aren’t really into that type of stuff, though, we won’t rush to draw a conclusion about its usefulness. Another change to the PS4 gamepad is that Sony has replaced the Start button with a Menu buttons, which seems to be quite similar in nature, while the new Share button will naturally let you share your numerous successes on the battlefield with your online buddies. Players will surely appreciate the fact that Sony has tried to make the analog sticks a bit more comfortable to use by giving them a bit of a concave shape and coating them with a finish that is less slippery.

Meanwhile, the Xbox One has this really cool new “HD rumble” effect feature that can make certain keys or parts of the gamepad vibrate, so that your attention is drawn to the desired control. In addition, Microsoft boasts a 15% increase in the speed of communication between the controller and the Xbox One, which should make for an even more responsive experience.

When it comes to power management, the Xbox One controller is still using AA batteries, but you can always connect it to the console in order to save power. On the other hand, the PlayStation 4 DualShock 4 controller comes with a soldered battery unit that can be recharged. Which solution would be more suitable for you depends on your gaming lifestyle, but it’s always a convenience when you don’t need to go to the nearby store when the batteries of your Xbox controller unexpectedly run out.

3. Your turn
So, now that we’ve gone through the most important aspects of the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 controllers, it’s your turn to tell us what you think of them. Sony has quite the legacy, but it can’t be denied that Microsoft is doing pretty well with its own controllers. Which one do you think will present gamers with a more refined experience – the Xbox One controller, or the PS4 DualShock 4? Be sure to cast your vote in the poll below and let us know!

New Limited Edition Xbox One Or 360 Coming Out?

Hideo Kojima Praises The Xbox One, May Integrate Kinect And SmartGlass In MGS 5

Kinect integration in MGS5 will be cool indeed with proper utilization of gesture and voice commands.

Microsoft investing $700 million to support cloud

Now that's some hefty sum of money invested.

The moment Kojima decided to praise the graphics of the X1 was the moment that he lost any and all credibility. That and given the fact that virtually all developers used GTX 780s to show off the Xbox, I highly doubt the final game will be even remotely as good as the trailers make them out to be.

Extreme Gamer said:
The moment Kojima decided to praise the graphics of the X1 was the moment that he lost any and all credibility. That and given the fact that virtually all developers used GTX 780s to show off the Xbox, I highly doubt the final game will be even remotely as good as the trailers make them out to be.

The final product will surpass E3 by a big margin. What was showcased at E3 ran on current gen hardware. Give the following a read:

Metal Gear Solid V on Xbox One and PS4 will look better than E3 trailer

There's another interesting read:

Were Xbox One E3 Demos Running On NVIDIA Hardware? It Doesn't Matter, And Here's Why

Although forbes articles aren't technical, they have a good insight on the flow. Even if some demos ran on a GTX 770 , it also used a desktop OS. Console OS will be far lighter and better capable of using resources. So Xbox-one's graphics, once it launches have a slim chance of looking bad compared to what was shown on the floors. It might surpass the visuals from a GTX 780 , considering the closed box model advantages.

vickybat said:
The final product will surpass E3 by a big margin. What was showcased at E3 ran on current gen hardware. Give the following a read:

Metal Gear Solid V on Xbox One and PS4 will look better than E3 trailer

There's another interesting read:

Were Xbox One E3 Demos Running On NVIDIA Hardware? It Doesn't Matter, And Here's Why

Although forbes articles aren't technical, they have a good insight on the flow. Even if some demos ran on a GTX 770 , it also used a desktop OS. Console OS will be far lighter and better capable of using resources. So Xbox-one's graphics, once it launches have a slim chance of looking bad compared to what was shown on the floors. It might surpass the visuals from a GTX 780 , considering the closed box model advantages.

You're forgetting some things:

GTX 780 uses a completely different architecture from GCN. If some of the xbox dev kits are running Nvidia GPUs, it means that means they have to optimize the graphics codebases for two architectures if Xbox exclusive and three (or more) if multiplatform. With only a few months left before some of the launch titles get released, they must have a final alpha version ready if they want to finish polishing and adapting the game on time to the final hardware. Like the Forbes writer said, it would be absurd to think that they're going to move over to Nvidia for the X1 just because a few dev kits use those GPUs.

I also don't think you can polish a game to such an extent that you can make it work much better on weaker (less than half the power apparently) hardware that is not even the same architecture in four months. Maybe you can, only time will tell.

Apart from that, why would there be a watercooled processor (pretty sure it was a corsair product) in a devkit/demo unit

Given that the GTX 780 and 770 were released only a few weeks ago, why would microsoft have a whole lot of those cards? And then assuming that the "real" devkits are using AMD goods, are a few weeks (or even a month) enough to adapt a game to a new architecture? Besides, the GTX 770 was launched only 2-3 days before E3, making the appearance of that card almost impossible in a dev kit, and the GTX 780 ~10-12 days, again not giving enough time.

Dev kits are supposed to be representative of the final hardware with adaptations to help developers. It doesn't explain why a high performance computer would be used. Sony was using an add-on PCIE board and windows 7 as it's first dev kit, a far cry from what microsoft seems to be doing.

I agree that the usage of windows 7 is being blown out of proportion (still odd though especially when the OS is in need of moral support

), but I just can't ignore the hardware side of things.

More than looking bad,I feel Xbone games will play bad compared to E3(i.e Lower than 60 FPS) :lol:

Extreme Gamer said:
The moment Kojima decided to praise the graphics of the X1 was the moment that he lost any and all credibility. That and given the fact that virtually all developers used GTX 780s to show off the Xbox, I highly doubt the final game will be even remotely as good as the trailers make them out to be.

The difference is, Kojima is a respected developer, and (no offence), you're just a normal person talking from your computer and extremely dependent on the media to know anything. Yeah its kinda silly for them to be blown up that badly, windows 7 and nvidia graphics card(lolwut!). But not all the kits were running on nvidia graphics cards, that was confirmed by one of the developers. May be the graphics cards don't make much difference in the next gen, or may be the developers haven't fully used the graphics card's potential so that using the g cards from different manufacturer makes any difference.

vickybat said:
The final product will surpass E3 by a big margin. What was showcased at E3 ran on current gen hardware. Give the following a read:

Metal Gear Solid V on Xbox One and PS4 will look better than E3 trailer

No way, they'll probably fix some little graphical issues like broken shadows or aliasing, but nothing by a big margin.

cyborg47 said:
No way, they'll probably fix some little graphical issues like broken shadows or aliasing, but nothing by a big margin.

Yeah because that trailer already looked so gorgeous. No way it looked like a current gen title. I wonder what improvements Kojima San has in mind.

Check this article. Kojima is extremely impressed on Ubisoft's "The Division".

The way i see, there will be some improvements in textures too. But the game already looks jaw dropping.

Side-by-side: Xbox One gamepad vs Xbox 360 gamepad

The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt Interview: PS4-Xbox One Versions, Weather System, Monsters And Dragons

RedEngine 3 looks highly promising for the next-gen consoles.

The Real Reasons Microsoft, Sony Chose AMD For The Xbox One And PS4

vickybat said:
The Real Reasons Microsoft, Sony Chose AMD For The Xbox One And PS4

Simple, Nvidia asked for bigger money, AMD was in desperate need for it

cyborg47 said:
Simple, Nvidia asked for bigger money, AMD was in desperate need for it

Might be, but the author in that article has a strong point which cannot be ignored. AMD simply had the expertise in making APU's and SOC's. Since they were capable of providing both a competing cpu and gpu, it was a solid choice. Getting the cpu from intel and a gpu from nvidia will cost more. SOC design saves considerable amount of silicon owing to cost cutting.

Then the HSA foundation model devised by AMD is also proving to be a future acceptable standard. The consoles definitely needed an edge like that. Considering AMD's expertise in all these fields and also from a financial perspective, it was an obvious choice.

vickybat said:
Might be, but the author in that article has a strong point which cannot be ignored. AMD simply had the expertise in making APU's and SOC's. Since they were capable of providing both a competing cpu and gpu, it was a solid choice. Getting the cpu from intel and a gpu from nvidia will cost more. SOC design saves considerable amount of silicon owing to cost cutting.

Then the HSA foundation model devised by AMD is also proving to be a future acceptable standard. The consoles definitely needed an edge like that. Considering AMD's expertise in all these fields and also from a financial perspective, it was an obvious choice.

I bet the same author would have written an article supporting Sony and MS's decisions, if they went for Nvidia's GPUs. Because, remember Nvidia's response when AMD was announced to be supplying the consoles' GPUs? They clearly stated it was a financial decision, that they weren't happy with what MS or Sony were offering, which obviously means Nvidia was given the offer by the two console manufacturers, but declined because it wasn't a big deal for them, where as AMD was in desperate need for some improvement as a company(check the stocks of both companies), whatever AMD says is all PR talk. So its safe to say that the GPU choice was obviously about money, though I don't mean that AMD's GPUs are bad in anyway, I agree with the article about the better performance of those cards

I'm really interested in seeing how GCN 2.0 fares against the Kepler rebadge and if finally they get rid of their microstuttering problems. GTX 760 SLI @~Canadian $550 is really tempting...:nod:

If it is very good, then in all likelihood the GT740 equivalent that Nvidia would have offered could have been outperformed by AMD.

cyborg47 said:
I bet the same author would have written an article supporting Sony and MS's decisions, if they went for Nvidia's GPUs. Because, remember Nvidia's response when AMD was announced to be supplying the consoles' GPUs? They clearly stated it was a financial decision, that they weren't happy with what MS or Sony were offering, which obviously means Nvidia was given the offer by the two console manufacturers, but declined because it wasn't a big deal for them, where as AMD was in desperate need for some improvement as a company(check the stocks of both companies), whatever AMD says is all PR talk. So its safe to say that the GPU choice was obviously about money, though I don't mean that AMD's GPUs are bad in anyway, I agree with the article about the better performance of those cards

Well i'm not saying Nvidia is incapable or something ( I'm a big Nvidia Fanboy

). They have the technology and financial decisions would have definitely played a part, as a reason of them pulling out. Actually Nvidia's future plans are pretty strong and involve SOC's almost for all platforms (servers,desktops, smartphones and supercomputers)- Project Denver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They are the only architectural licensee of ARM after Qualcomm, and thus are allowed to create their own ARM designs. Something like that can easily power a game console. But Sony and M$ couldn't wait as 64 bit ARM cpu's were a while away and are the ones from ARM stables, that could have competed against jaguar cpu's toe to toe.

The upcoming Maxwell Gpu's is going to be a Heterogeneous design sporting custom ARM 64bit cores along with Maxwell gpu (simd) cores. So the technology was there.

Money could have been a big factor here and AMD took the much needed chance.

DirectX 11.2 Revealed – Available Only On Windows 8.1 & Xbox One [UPDATE]

Well, we all saw that coming. In an attempt to promote its latest OS, Microsoft has officially revealed the new version of its DX API. And as you may have guessed, it is coming exclusively on Windows 8.1 and Xbox One. DirectX 11.2 was presented at its Build Conference, and you can find the keynotes video below. Perhaps the best feature of DX11.2, Tiled Resources, is demoed at around the first one hour mark. With Tiled Resources, Direct3D 11.2 introduces support for hardware virtual resources, allowing the creation of massive textures using minimal memory, and permitting improved bandwidth efficiency. Let’s see now how PC gamers and developers will respond to Microsoft’s move, and whether the former will be forced to upgrade their systems – yet again – for this DX exclusivity!

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So did Microsoft just spin a downclocked esram based on pure bs? : Games

Interesting...

Xbox One exec says Sony PS4 tech specs are "meaningless", games more important

Microsoft is kind of right here. In the end, the quality of games and their overall theme is what that matters.

vickybat said:
Xbox One exec says Sony PS4 tech specs are "meaningless", games more important

Microsoft is kind of right here. In the end, the quality of games and their overall theme is what that matters.

and then suddenly..these quotes happens somewhere in the article

on top of all the magic we're going to add with the instant switching, and the power of the cloud.

see Call of Duty, it looks f**king awesome! It's going to be great, you know.

Which kinda contradicts what the guy is saying. Its nothing but a PR game, if MS had the better hardware, I'm sure they'd boast about it, just like the " instant switching, and the power of the cloud".
If hardware specs really don't matter, why not stick with the xbox 360? Instead of selling a powerful console that costs 500$

cyborg47 said:
and then suddenly..these quotes happens somewhere in the article

Which kinda contradicts what the guy is saying. Its nothing but a PR game, if MS had the better hardware, I'm sure they'd boast about it, just like the " instant switching, and the power of the cloud".
If hardware specs really don't matter, why not stick with the xbox 360? Instead of selling a powerful console that costs 500$

Yup they would. I guess Don Matrick said that line once, " For all consumers who do not have some form of connectivity, we have a commendable offline gaming device called the xbox 360".

He was widely criticised for those comments, and then the famed 180 U turn. But Microsoft seems to have games this time. They can attract people by those.
Gamescom is going to be interesting.

Albert Penello said:
As a matter of fact," he continued, "they actually go out and they talk about how proud they are about their off-the-shelf parts. Our guys'll say, we touched every single component in the box and everything there is tweaked for optimum performance.

What's so off-the-shelf on the PS4

Last I remember, the PS4 jaguar chip wont be available in a BGA package to consumers.

Extreme Gamer said:
What's so off-the-shelf on the PS4

Last I remember, the PS4 jaguar chip wont be available in a BGA package to consumers.

X86 based parts are referred as Off-shelf here. You don't find PowerPc based cpu's selling in retail counter right?

Its not about PS4 chip being offered to consumers. Jaguar chips are available in BGA only.
PS4 chip is custom designed to integrate te extra 4 cores & that massive gpu core along with other functionalities.
Same goes for Xbox-one.

Off-shelf refers to common parts or technology in use.

vickybat said:
X86 based parts are referred as Off-shelf here. You don't find PowerPc based cpu's selling in retail counter right?

Its not about PS4 chip being offered to consumers. Jaguar chips are available in BGA only.
PS4 chip is custom designed to integrate te extra 4 cores & that massive gpu core along with other functionalities.
Same goes for Xbox-one.

Off-shelf refers to common parts or technology in use.

Dude I know. Intel has copyright on LGA, so its unlikely to get LGA processors from other brands.

In that case even M$ is off-the-shelf.

My point was that PS4 parts aren't off the shelf because everything is custom. If PS4 is then so too X1.

Extreme Gamer said:
Dude I know. Intel has copyright on LGA, so its unlikely to get LGA processors from other brands.

In that case even M$ is off-the-shelf.

My point was that PS4 parts aren't off the shelf because everything is custom. If PS4 is then so too X1.

Who's denying that Microsoft isn't off-shelf?? Of-course it is. Being LGA or BGA has nothing to do here.

PS4 having custom parts has nothing to do whatsoever of using off-shelf parts or not. Using X-86 or more commercial parts gives it the "Off-shelf" monicker.

This will clear your doubts:

Commercial off-the-shelf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

vickybat said:
Who's denying that Microsoft isn't off-shelf?? Of-course it is. Being LGA or BGA has nothing to do here.

PS4 having custom parts has nothing to do whatsoever of using off-shelf parts or not. Using X-86 or more commercial parts gives it the "Off-shelf" monicker.

This will clear your doubts:

Commercial off-the-shelf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh god where is the debate? When did I say LGA or BGA has anything to do with this?

Why are we arguing in agreement lol? I know what off-the-shelf means TYVM.

Extreme Gamer said:
My point was that PS4 parts aren't off the shelf because everything is custom. If PS4 is then so too X1.

Then what was this for??

vickybat said:
Then what was this for??

Because it isn't COTS. Read the definition you posted.

Extreme Gamer said:
Because it isn't COTS. Read the definition you posted.

Well its semi custom and not fully custom made. The jaguar cores aren't custom but GPU is.
That does not make them not off-the-shelf. You always have to customize parts in an SOC meant for a special purpose. But the parts used are still off-the shelf, procured from AMD.
Sony or microsoft did not develop them. PS3's cell was the brain child of "Ken Kutaragi". He was responsible for designing of SPE's. So here we can say Sony and Microsoft used off-the-shelf parts and usd a technology that is commercially available.

Use of X86 decides here off-the-shelf or not. Because those jaguar and radeon gpu's are commercially available. Its not niche as powerpc which was inaccessible to general public.

PS4/Xbox One tech spec comparisons 'meaningless', says Microsoft exec

"As a matter of fact, they actually go out and they talk about how proud they are about their off-the-shelf parts. Our guys'll say, we touched every single component in the box and everything there is tweaked for optimum performance," he boasted.

vickybat said:
Well its semi custom and not fully custom made. The jaguar cores aren't custom but GPU is.
That does not make them not off-the-shelf. You always have to customize parts in an SOC meant for a special purpose. But the parts used are still off-the shelf, procured from AMD.
Sony or microsoft did not develop them. PS3's cell was the brain child of "Ken Kutaragi". He was responsible for designing of SPE's. So here we can say Sony and Microsoft used off-the-shelf parts and usd a technology that is commercially available.

Use of X86 decides here off-the-shelf or not. Because those jaguar and radeon gpu's are commercially available. Its not niche as powerpc which was inaccessible to general public.

PS4/Xbox One tech spec comparisons 'meaningless', says Microsoft exec

Nope. X86 doesn't decide off-the-shelfness. The jauguar cores themselves (obviously) won't change in design between retail and Sonly/M$. But the SOC itself is fully custom, because unlike Intel's Core 2 Quad where two dual core modules were slapped together in one package [don't deny it], here the cores are not added on, they are part of the same substrate. And of course, the customized GCN 2.0 chip.

I would like to see a comment from a sony exec saying their parts are off the shelf. Microsoft is calling its parts custom according to your quote. Both companies are using custom units. Neither is using off-the-shelf parts.

While the tech might be off-the-shelf (x86-64 instruction set, jaguar architecture, GCN 2.0 etc), the product used is not.

EG, why are you trolling? As per your defination of custom and off-the-shelf, each and every SOC from different manufacturers like Quacom Snapdragon, Samsung Exynos or nVidia Tegra all are custom made and not off the self product. They are taior made for their purpose but still off the self design as they are made using existing architecture, design philosophy and fabrication process. In fact by your design, even each and every new Generation AMD and Intel new generation Processors are Custom because of the architecture. But no, they are not at all any new thing, they are just iterations or evolution of current available x86 technologies.
XBOX and PS4 both has used components, design philosophy and concepts which are allready in market, the CPU and GPU design, Heterogeneous Computing platform using HUMA and HSA, industry standard GDDR5 memory and memory bus, existing type of storage system etc. Obviously each of them has tailor made the design for its own purpose but that does not make it a complete new design or custom design. Obviously it is a custom chip but still it is based on off-the-self components.

Cilus said:
EG, why are you trolling? As per your defination of custom and off-the-shelf, each and every SOC from different manufacturers like Quacom Snapdragon, Samsung Exynos or nVidia Tegra all are custom made and not off the self product. They are taior made for their purpose but still off the self design as they are made using existing architecture, design philosophy and fabrication process. In fact by your design, even each and every new Generation AMD and Intel new generation Processors are Custom because of the architecture. But no, they are not at all any new thing, they are just iterations or evolution of current available x86 technologies.
XBOX and PS4 both has used components, design philosophy and concepts which are allready in market, the CPU and GPU design, Heterogeneous Computing platform using HUMA and HSA, industry standard GDDR5 memory and memory bus, existing type of storage system etc. Obviously each of them has tailor made the design for its own purpose but that does not make it a complete new design or custom design. Obviously it is a custom chip but still it is based on off-the-self components.

That is not what I'm saying. Since the same identical chip is offered to multiple mobile/handheld vendors, the parts are commercial off the shelf.

In case of the PS4 and X1, the two chips being offered are different from each other and specially designed tailored to each company's needs. Thus not being off-the-shelf.

I'm saying that the SoC is based on off-the-shelf technologies (x86 has been around for ages), but the console SoC itself is not off-the-shelf.

I hope this clarifies it for you. I'll leave at that.

@Extreme Gamer: update first post with all relevant details regarding Xbox One.

I will do it tomorrow.
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UPDATE

Thread opening post has updates, still a work in progress. If you find anything missing, please let me know.

SAUDI ARABIA WANTS THE XBOX ONE THE MOST (ACCORDING TO GAMESPOT)

I guess people there like the TV and living room features. It can prove to be a strong point for Xbox One.

Sunday Seven: How the Xbox One Could Win Next-Gen

I find the living room features and exclusives, as valid opinions.

Xbox One memory performance improved for production console

Microsoft is now claiming a higher bandwidth than PS4 with some modifications of their ES RAM chip. Its now 192GB/s but the memory size is limited to 32 mb for to and fro communication at these bandwidths whereas PS4 has full 8gb at 176 GB/s.

Best Thing About Next-Gen: Stunning List of Open World Games

Quite an ambitious as well as amazing list.

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News: Assassin's Creed creator: Microsoft "didn't have to mention" Xbox One needed an internet connection - Xbox 360 - The Official Magazine

Just no. Patrice, go home.

But I was a bit like, 'Really?' It's all going to be digital, and we're already halfway through it. That's why I took the CD as an example. I know some people still buy CDs and vinyl, but nobody's yelling at Apple because of iTunes. I just find that a bit hypocritical. Just a little bit.

Except that iTunes doesn't require you to log in every 24 hours and the CDs & Vinyl you purchase don't have to be registered with iTunes.

The problem is the message, and how to deliver the message. They focused on the wrong stuff. They didn't have to mention that you needed an internet connection every 24 hours. They didn't have to do that.

And let a massive shitstorm hit them after the consoles release that would be a million times worse than the RRoD fiasco?

The hardcore gamers - will buy both consoles in the end anyway.

I guess me and my friend circle aren't hardcore now because we have chosen PC + 3DS

Don Mattrick just resigned, not sure how I feel about it though.

^^ Yup, he's leaving for Zynga. I kinda didn't like this guy too. :neutral:

Microsoft's Entertainment Head Don Mattrick Leaving for Top Zynga Job - Kara Swisher - Commerce - AllThingsD

I don't like any business executives...especially the american ones

cyborg47 said:
I don't like any business executives...especially the american ones

But there's an exception in my case. I'm the biggest fan of "Jack Tretton".

I guess you know him too.

Been watching his presentations since E3 2006. A wonderful guy imo.

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*www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2013/Jul13/07-01steveb-mail.aspx

Ballmer is the new Xbox boss?

Microsoft Xbox One Cracked Opened: First Photos of Hardware Inside Xbox One Emerge - X-bit labs

Why is the fan pulling air out of the heatsink instead of blowing air into it. Even hardware is a fail here lol
*www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2013-06/microsoft_xbox_one_opened_a.jpg

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Gollum said:
Why is the fan pulling air out of the heatsink instead of blowing air into it. Even hardware is a fail here lol
*www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2013-06/microsoft_xbox_one_opened_a.jpg

isnt it the same setup for even the heatsinks on your cpu (pc)??

rakesh_ic said:
isnt it the same setup for even the heatsinks on your cpu (pc)??

CPU heatsinks blow air into the heatsink and not away.

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Gollum said:
CPU heatsinks blow air into the heatsink and not away.

Okies.. I thought it is the other way. Never bothered to check though

thanks for the clarification.. Which also means they have a failure in the design itself

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Mecha Damashii » News: Titanfall’s Mecha Aren’t Mecha…Apparently

“Mech is kind of a dirty word with us, we don’t like it. These aren’t mechs”

If you say so...

At least my comments on Titanfall's mechs not feeling like mechs should are vindicated.

Microsoft: No Xbox One in Japan this Year: ?Tier 2 Country? Asks Journalist Not to Report Negatively | DualShockers

Kinect HD Is Xbox One's Best Idea - Forbes

Guys if you won't tell me if anything is missing in the OP, I will have to finalize that and remove the "Work in Progress tag".

If no response by day after tomorrow, the tag gets removed.

We asked Microsoft what happens if the Xbox One’s Kinect sensor stops working?

We already know the Xbox One needs its Kinect sensor to be operational, but what happens if the fancy new motion tracking camera malfunctions or gets damaged? Can you walk into a store and buy a replacement, or do you need to send it in to Microsoft for repairs?

Checking for the former, we cruised a few retail websites and noticed that the Xbox One’s unique but mandatory peripheral was not listed among the console’s accessories. This lead us to reach out to Microsoft for more information on this matter and here’s what a company spokesperson had to say.

“Xbox One is still in development and we are excited to share more over the coming months, but we don’t have anything further to share at this time.”

Not the clearest answer to say the least, but it sounds like some type of solution is in the works. Many have labeled the Xbox One’s bundled Kinect sensor as the driving force that pushed the system’s price point to $500 — $100 more than Sony’s PlayStation 4.

If in fact this is the case and Microsoft elects to sell its new motion tracker as a standalone product, people will likely expect the camera to be priced around $100 or less, but bear in mind that the original Kinect sensor debuted with a price tag of $150.

There’s also a possibility that Microsoft may not bring the Xbox One’s Kinect to retailers at all, with the company instead offering its own repair and replacement services directly to consumers.

As of now we’re not completely sure what the future will hold for Xbox One owners with troubled Kinect sensors, but until Microsoft makes its plans clear, you might want to take a look at what not to do to the system’s required hardware.

Steve Ballmer is Taking Command of Xbox One

Ballmer taking control of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business may be part of his restructuring plan.

It was a big surprise that Don Mattrick, the former head of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business who just addressed the gaming nation over the DRM changes regarding the upcoming Xbox One console, stepped down from his role to become CEO of struggling FarmVille developer Zynga. Yet it shouldn't be a surprise: after all, sources foretold of his departure last week as part of Microsoft's supposed restructuring plan.

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For now, Microsoft reportedly doesn't have anyone lined up to fill Mattrick's shoes, so Ballmer himself is taking control of the IEB unit. Currently it's unknown if Ballmer's self-appointment is only temporary, or permanent.

"Don’s directs will report to me and will continue to drive the day-to-day business as a team, particularly focused on shipping Xbox One this holiday," Ballmer said in his email to employees.

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Zynga said on Monday that it had named Don Mattrick as its new CEO and a member of the Board of Directors, effective July 8, 2013. Mark Pincus, Zynga’s founding chief executive officer, will remain Chairman of the Board of Directors and Chief Product Officer of the Company.

“I joined Zynga because I believe that Mark’s pioneering vision and mission to connect the world through games is just getting started. Zynga is a great business that has yet to realize its full potential," Mattrick said. "I’m proud to partner with Mark to deliver high-quality, fun, social games wherever people want to play."

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Both announcements seemed to have appeared out of nowhere, especially just weeks after Xbox One went live at E3 2013 and Mattrick settled the dust of controversy over the console's DRM setup. But with Ballmer now in control of the IEB, there's now concern that he's not the right person to lead the Xbox One launch four months from now. He's a charismatic businessman to say the least.

As previously stated, Mattrick's departure was actually reported last week as part of the restructuring plan Microsoft will supposedly undergo. Baller was slated to reveal this plan on Monday, and the announcement conveniently falls on that date. Sources noted that there would be significant departures from Microsoft, and many executives will have larger roles, as business units will be moved around into new divisions.

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In addition to Mattrick, the shift supposedly includes Satya Nadella, president of Microsoft’s Servers and Tools division; and Tony Bates, president of its Skype communications unit. Qi Lu, president of Microsoft's Online Services unit, and Terry Myerson, who runs the Windows Phone division, are also in the picture.

That said, more changes within the Redmond walls are expected to arrive soon. Whether Ballmer has revealed his restructuring plan to employees is unknown at this point, but the plan seems to be unfolding nevertheless. Ballmer may wait to fill Mattrick's role with another Microsoft executive until after the console launches in November.

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Microsoft holding gamescom 2013 conference – report

Surprisingly, Valve is said to be announcing some games at their gamescom booth this time, some hope for HL3.

Titanfall Runs At A Solid 60fps, Features Tons of Graphical Effects

Now that's something feisty. I predict that this game is going to sell like crazy.
It will be a new phenomenon after counter strike.

Xbox One Pre-Orders Rising at Amazon But Still Not Sold Out

The 180 U-turn decision has breathed a new life into Xbox-one.

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vickybat said:
Titanfall Runs At A Solid 60fps, Features Tons of Graphical Effects

Now that's something feisty. I predict that this game is going to sell like crazy.
It will be a new phenomenon after counter strike.

I have decided to buy titanfall instead of BF4 for 2 reasons -
1) this looks fresh and fancy..
2) pricing of BF4 on pc

rakesh_ic said:
I have decided to buy titanfall instead of BF4 for 2 reasons -
1) this looks fresh and fancy..
2) pricing of BF4 on pc

Its the same, 3.4k. EA is the publisher remember?

cyborg47 said:
Its the same, 3.4k. EA is the publisher remember?

I think he means Titanfall on PC. That might be cheaper.

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Extreme Gamer said:
I think he means Titanfall on PC. That might be cheaper.

Exactly.. I meant titanfall on PC.

Also.. this is one of the reasons why I prefer PS over Xbox. Almost all the games on Xbox will make its way to pc.

rakesh_ic said:
Exactly.. I meant titanfall on PC.

Duh, I know you're talking about PC, and since EA is the publisher, the PC price is also going to be 3.4k as well

Yup, EA is the publisher for titanfall. I hope it isn't 3.4k since this doesn't seem to have a strong single player campaign.

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cyborg47 said:
Duh, I know you're talking about PC, and since EA is the publisher, the PC price is also going to be 3.4k as well

Thanks for that info I dint know that EA was the publisher for titanfall too.. Well done EA and MS..

rakesh_ic said:
Thanks for that info I dint know that EA was the publisher for titanfall too.. Well done EA and MS..

The meetings between IW founders and EA were pretty much the reason Activision kicked them out, which lead to the birth of Respawn. EA is just the publishing partner though, Respawn owns the IP.

vickybat said:
Yup, EA is the publisher for titanfall. I hope it isn't 3.4k since this doesn't seem to have a strong single player campaign.

It doesn't even have a single player campaign. *www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/24/why-titanfall-has-no-single-player-campaign

Multiplayer should be the only reason why a game can be priced high. It's the only way one gets the money worth. Unlike buying a game for 3K, finishing it and then dumping it off into abyss.

R

ico said:
It doesn't even have a single player campaign. Why Titanfall Has No Single-Player Campaign - IGN

Multiplayer should be the only reason why a game can be priced high. It's the only way one gets the money worth. Unlike buying a game for 3K, finishing it and then dumping it off into abyss.

I dont mind spending 3K for a FPS MP game if they can guarantee me that I will not be pushed to the ditch and they release numerous DLC's and premium accounts that are prices same or above the base game that I am willing to buy.

The point is, if I dont upgrade myself with the premium accounts or the DLC's that come up for MP, i will never be able to get the best guns and enjoy the best of the maps on these MP's.

I am not saying that paying for a game after purchasing it is something new and extravaggant. Its there for most of the RPG's that go online and has MP. But there its so evident and certain. I dont expect the same for FPS though.

The DLCs are inevitable, its got nothing to do with EA, every company is after DLCs these days.

R

cyborg47 said:
The DLCs are inevitable, its got nothing to do with EA, every company is after DLCs these days.

Dont you think EA over does it??

The base/limited versions of their BF games lately are half baked cakes and if you want to enjoy anything close to a full MP, you will need a premium edition which is way higher priced.

My point is, they arent much interested to offer us with any good gameplay for the base version (its more like a framework for something better to come) and the actual game comes out with their DLC's.

Now for a "framework", i cant pay 3.5K. sorry EA..

Not sure how enjoyable Premium is compared to the base version, but I bought the limited edition with B2K for 1k, and had a blast with it. The premium and other DLCs do attract off a lot of gamers, but not all of them. There were ton of people still playing the base version or B2K. The good thing was that I could choose what I wanted, I wasn't interested in anything else but the open maps, so B2K and End game were perfectly enjoyable by me. Though it all doesn't matter right now, thanks to the price hike the base version itself.

..|.. to EA.

R

cyborg47 said:
Not sure how enjoyable Premium is compared to the base version, but I bought the limited edition with B2K for 1k, and had a blast with it. The premium and other DLCs do attract off a lot of gamers, but not all of them. There were ton of people still playing the base version or B2K. The good thing was that I could choose what I wanted, I wasn't interested in anything else but the open maps, so B2K and End game were perfectly enjoyable by me. Though it all doesn't matter right now, thanks to the price hike the base version itself.

..|.. to EA.

I dint buy any DLC or premium pack on BF3, it was the limited version i got for the preorder. But during recent E3 (thanks to the suckards) I got close quarters for free. I played some of the maps on CQ and they were all great.. So is the new mode (gun master)

I never knew about the fun in them until i got the DLC. And I see so many other mode of play in BF3 which arent avalable for me (for obvious reasons).

As you said, all that doesnt matter.. _l_ EA..

And yeah, i will play BF3 longer..

Hopefully, dice might add a map editor or modding features to the game now that they've milked us with their DLCs

R

cyborg47 said:
Hopefully, dice might add a map editor or modding features to the game now that they've milked us with their DLCs

They denied of the mods even for BF4

so dont expect a COD here

Bethesda: Xbox One is a "nice, robust machine", cross-platform work is a "nightmare"

I guess the different memory architectures has some part to play on this.

vickybat said:
Bethesda: Xbox One is a "nice, robust machine", cross-platform work is a "nightmare"

I guess the different memory architectures has some part to play on this.

devs will have to choose side now

vickybat said:
Bethesda: Xbox One is a "nice, robust machine", cross-platform work is a "nightmare"

I guess the different memory architectures has some part to play on this.

I don't think so. As far as cross-platform gaming goes, there shouldn't be any problems if they're doing the server-console translations right and correctly choosing what the servers do and what the consoles do.

Development is a different story though. But given how they would have to code for two different graphics libraries on PC and Mac unless they choose to use OpenGL on PC they should not have too much trouble on the 8th gen consoles too.

Or maybe their design process is not quite compatible with working on both consoles simultaneously (that doesn't mean their design process is flawed BTW).

Killer Instinct Xbox One: Double Helix posts terrifying breakdown of fan requests

The Xbox One And PlayStation 4 Face Off On The Comic-Con Show Floor

Battle of the titans!!!!

Next-Gen Face-Off: Forza Motorsport 5 vs. Driveclub

So which is better guys?? Driveclub or forza 5

New Xbox One info from Comic-Con; scanning player's face into games via Kinect

John Callaham said:
As reported by IGN, one of the coolest new features is the ability for any Xbox One game to include a way to put in a real player's face onto an in-game character model, thanks to the new abilities of the included Kinect sensor. It can even track a player's BMI so that the character model in the game looks something like the body of the real player. The Kinect sensor can also track the player's facial expressions and have them appear on the in-game model, which could add something new to multiplayer matches.

Microsoft to allow indie self-publishing on Xbox One

Microsoft is all set for next gen gaming and seems to be following Sony's footsteps. After PS4, Xbox-one will also allow indie developers to self publish their titles.
This is indeed great news in indie development space.

R

vickybat said:
Microsoft to allow indie self-publishing on Xbox One

Microsoft is all set for nect gen gaming and seems to be following Sony's footsteps. After PS4, Xbox-one will also allow indie developers to self publish their titles.
This is indeed great news in indie development space.

What else can MS do other than following the standards set by Ps4?? Another triumph for Sony..

rakesh_ic said:
What else can MS do other than following the standards set by Ps4?? Another triumph for Sony..

Seconded.

How Xbox One's operating systems work - why splitting the RAM is good for developers and gamers

A nice informative article.

Microsoft dominates Gamescom hall

It has the largest floor space.

Nice!!!!

Xbox One Kinect U-Turn is a mistake too far for Microsoft

Overnight, Microsoft revealed that the Xbox One will function just fine even if the new Kinect is unplugged from the console, a dramatic change of policy from the always-connected console announced earlier this year.

Microsoft seems to be losing the integrity of their decisions.

Someone from Micro$h!t is getting fired.

Insomniac Developers Shut Off The Xbox One Using Studio PA

:lol:

Its hilarious.

Xbox One Review | Polygon

Polygon rated it a little higher than PS4.

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ico said:
Xbox One Review | Polygon

Polygon rated it a little higher than PS4.

Not in to consoles but polygon website is kickass.

Microsoft Xbox One sales top 1 million within 24 hours

Microsoft sells over 1 million Xbox One in less than a day

Microsoft sells over a million Xbox Ones in 24 hours

Wow. Microsoft has also nailed it with xbox one.

noob said:
Not in to consoles but polygon website is kickass.

But..But..Polygon gave Last of Us a 7.5

UK Xbox One sales just shy of Wii U's lifetime total, report claims

This console is undoubtedly doing well. Both next-gen consoles are selling well above expectations as of now.

Overall, I've noticed a few key graphical differences between the XO and the PS4 based on what those youtube videos show. Some of these could differ when looked at face to face, but most of the things remain the same irrespective of the quality of the youtube video.

XO relies a lot more on global illumination than the PS4
The colour space of the XO and the PS4 seem to be slightly different, based on the fact that the Xbox has higher colour saturation (this could be a result of HDMI colour correction and gamma differences)
Polycount between the two is same in all games I've seen.
Texture filtering seems to be all over the place, with some games doing better on PS4, others on Xbox
Texture quality seems to be equal or slightly better on PS4. So does antialiasing, although the AA method seems to make the textures more fuzzy on the PS4. This means that the Xbox textures actually appear more defined than the PS4 ones.
Shadows appear slightly softer on the PS4 vs the Xbox (this could be a D3D/OGL difference)
Water reflections seem to be equal or slightly better on the PS4 depending on the game. In AC4 the D3D render path treats water like a mirror at certain angles, while the PS4 OGL render path more accurately takes into account smaller movements.
PS4 seems to have a slightly higher draw distance depending on the game.

Also, Battlefield 4 seems to have a poor framerate on both consoles. Can anyone confirm this?

Extreme Gamer said:
Also, Battlefield 4 seems to have a poor framerate on both consoles. Can anyone confirm this?

No, battlefield 4 has no issue on either consoles. It runs super smooth at 60fps.

Battlefield 4: Xbox One vs. PlayStation 4 Frame-Rate Tests - YouTube

Video of Battlefield 4 running on PS4 at 60 fps

Battlefield 4 PS4 vs Xbox One video comparison

Xbox one runs at 720p whereas PS4 version runs in 900p. Both churn constant 60fps though.

Call of duty ghosts had some framerate issues in the PS4 version, although it ran at 1080p (ps4 only, 720p on XOne).
There were certain media reports. They seem to have been ironed out by a patch released by Activison.

Call of Duty: Ghosts’ PS4 frame rate issues and 1080 patch details clarified

Here's a more detailed analysis. COD ghosts had an underwhelming launch because of these issues.

*www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-whats-fixed-and-whats-not-in-the-cod-ghosts-ps4-patch

vickybat said:
No, battlefield 4 has no issue on either consoles. It runs super smooth at 60fps.

The video I saw must have been recorded at a terrible framerate.

vickybat said:
Battlefield 4: Xbox One vs. PlayStation 4 Frame-Rate Tests - YouTube

Video of Battlefield 4 running on PS4 at 60 fps

Battlefield 4 PS4 vs Xbox One video comparison

Xbox one runs at 720p whereas PS4 version runs in 900p. Both churn constant 60fps though.

You know that's a lie. Both consoles only run 60FPS in low-resource use situations. As soon as combat starts, both the PS4 and XO get framerate drops, with the XO being the worst offender.

What's good is that the PS4 even with the higher resolution continues to remain a little faster than the XO in this game and low intensity combat usually stays above 48FPS in both consoles.

vickybat said:
Call of duty ghosts had some framerate issues in the PS4 version, although it ran at 1080p (ps4 only, 720p on XOne).
There were certain media reports. They seem to have been ironed out by a patch released by Activison.

Call of Duty: Ghosts’ PS4 frame rate issues and 1080 patch details clarified

Here's a more detailed analysis. COD ghosts had an underwhelming launch because of these issues.

Does the Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4 patch fix everything? • Articles • Eurogamer.net

Hadn't heard about this one. Not that I'd have checked it out because it has COD plastered all over it.

Anyway, it seems that the BF4 video I'd seen having poor framerates was also from Digital Foundry. So it's them doing some hara kiri to their videos.

The horrible texture filtering and excessive texture fuzziness due to AA on the PS4 version for all the games I've seen is really making me cringe.

PHIL SPENCER CAN’T ASSURE GOW TO STAY XBOX EXCLUSIVE

Xbox One Consoles Smoking

vickybat said:
Xbox One Consoles Smoking

They certainly can't be refurb units this early in their launch :lol:

Installing Xbox One Games Takes Way Too Long

Hmm....Some interesting figures.

XBOX ONE – How To Install A Bigger Hard Drive !

First Gameplay Footage of Xbox One Exclusive Quantum Break Revealed, Looks Fantastic

Wow......Seems like a big reason to buy an xbox-one. They are really bringing impressive games into their repertoire.
I was amazed by the power of "The Division", featuring the snow drop engine. This one is clearly in its league.
Really impressive.

Fake Backwards Compatibility Instructions Brick Xbox One

Xbox One Most Successful Console Launch in Australia

Microsoft Releases First Xbox One System Update

Xbox One sells 2 Million Units in 18 Days

Microsoft says Xbox One global sales top 2 million units

Xbox One global sales surpass 2m consoles to level with PlayStation 4

Xbox one has been an incredible success story for Microsoft so far. Two million in 18 days is staggering and right up there with PS4.

Xbox One is Fastest Selling Console in the US; November NPD Group Figures Revealed

Sony Goes on a Hiring Spree in Wake of PS4′s Success While Microsoft Continues its Own in Full Swing

Not to be outdone, Microsoft Game Studios is continuing its own hiring spree offering ten new jobs between yesterday and today, that add to the 31 already published in the last month.
The new generation is now in full swing, and both Sony and Microsoft seem to be gearing up in full swing to tackle it with the best possible staff.

New Watch Dogs Screenshots From the Xbox One Version Released

Xbox One DRM check interrupts Defend the School's Killer Instinct winners finals match

Has anyone heard the news? 55K is going to be the indian price for xbone.

cyborg47 said:
Has anyone heard the news? 55K is going to be the indian price for xbone.

Well, the Wii U is suddenly becoming the most vfm console in the market :lol:

Wii u does not have an Indian presence, so people will be least bothered about it.

Talk about xbox-one, that price makes no sense at all. It will be ignored by all, leaving PS4 as the sole player in the domestic market.

vickybat said:
Wii u does not have an Indian presence, so people will be least bothered about it.

Talk about xbox-one, that price makes no sense at all. It will be ignored by all, leaving PS4 as the sole player in the domestic market.

It should be obvious my comment was referring to how ridiculously priced both consoles are here. Also, I do remember seeing Wii Us in Indian stores (not grey market). No official presence, yes, but big name retailers (Planet M) did carry them.

vickybat said:
Wii u does not have an Indian presence, so people will be least bothered about it.

Talk about xbox-one, that price makes no sense at all. It will be ignored by all, leaving PS4 as the sole player in the domestic market.

Until Halo 5
After which hordes of rich people will flock to get Xbone

CommanderShawnzer said:
Until Halo 5
After which hordes of rich people will flock to get Xbone

Well i'm a big halo fan too. Fans can do anything to play their fav games.

But 55k is simply too much. Its like looting Indian customers.

Next Gen Only Reveal on Game Informer Cover Will Make People “Flip Out Over;” Coming Tomorrow

Any guesses!!!!

CommanderShawnzer said:
Until Halo 5
After which hordes of rich people will flock to get Xbone

Nope. I'm a halo fanboy, and still think 15k is a waste of money for x360, talk about 55k

Titanfall Closed Alpha Gameplay Video Emerges, Looks Stunning

This is an ACE for xbox-one. Highly anticipated game. Its in PC too.

25 Games That Will Push Graphical Boundaries In 2014

Great list. Good to see some indie names making it in there.

Microsoft And Machinima Have Officially Commented On XB1M13 (UPDATED)

Microsoft On 1st Party Studios: Naughty Dog Is "A Special Studio", "They Are Unique"

Industry Insider: Xbox One 10% reserved GPU getting turned into 2% soon

Every bit helps.

Thief will not run at 1080p on the Xbox One?

Multiplatforms are a bit inferior on Xbox-One. Their exclusives run well though.

vickybat said:
Thief will not run at 1080p on the Xbox One?

Multiplatforms are a bit inferior on Xbox-One. Their exclusives run well though.

Not just thief. Initially it was just trolling, but now Tomb Raider -Definitive Edition too runs on only 25-30fps on 1080p on X1 compared to PS4(and we remember the COD 720p fiasco). It really has inferior hardware compared to PS4, even though the software seems much neater. Nice going Microsoft; putting less intense hardware in a more expensive console :facepalm:

^^ Yeah they screwed up the GPU and memory. It deserved a relatively powerful gpu, considering the price.
Anyway, lets see how this goes. They are banking on their exclusives this time. This gen, role has reversed compared to last one.

Halo 2 Anniversary Edition Reportedly Coming To Xbox One, Halo 5 In 2015?

Nice. Halo 5 is highly anticipated.

Sunset Overdrive is “Looking Very Good”, Currently “Better than E3 Trailer” Graphically

Insomniac debut exclusive for a Microsoft product. Considering their brilliant work in the "Resistance" series, i guess Xbox fans are sure for a treat with this one.

Xbox One: 1080p/60fps Not Happening Anytime Soon, Not Enough Power But Tools Will Improve

Senior publishing source confirms new, cheaper Xbox One release for 2014

So, a cheaper console in the works.

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Maybe for india then.

As 50K for a console is too much!

Xbox One Will Have An Official Xbox 360 Emulator When Microsoft Finishes 'Thinking It Through' | Kotaku Australia

*www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-13-microsoft-to-sell-xbox-one-without-kinect

H

Xbox One India Launch | Exclusive Pre-orders on Amazon.in
*i.imgur.com/Lsh2hsb.png
*i.imgur.com/FA8Zmdt.png
*i.imgur.com/k2hacaL.png

Just saw it on their home page, must be a bold move by MS to make it exclusive...

Recently bought an xbox one without kinect from amazon.in

Fenix21 said:
Recently bought an xbox one without kinect from amazon.in

Congrats !!!

Paid 38,249 for xbox one+fifa15+additional controller+forza 5 + halo masterchief collection two days ago. Amazing deal it was from Amazon. my digit handle is my Xbox Live ID. My Xbox friend's list is empty. Do send me some invites please.

The bond is back to gaming

How can I use xbone bought from us in India without frying it ?

D

Hey Guys, from where I can buy XBOX One games? Is it good to buy from XBOX store of Disc via Amazon/Flipkart..

daemon1 said:
Hey Guys, from where I can buy XBOX One games? Is it good to buy from XBOX store of Disc via Amazon/Flipkart..

Where ever you get a good deal..

Hello Guys, Does anyone here know if the Xbox One S is coming to india and when?Unable to find the dates.

So I got an XBONE
*i.imgur.com/X30lsmO.jpg?1
*i.imgur.com/3oIZuHi.jpg
*i.imgur.com/m9uLDKy.jpg

The controller looks like
*i.imgur.com/dPvWAqT.jpg

Hi Guys,

Bought Xbox one console (500GB..Quantum break free) from flipkart (pretty sweet deal @ Rs. 27k). This is the first time that i have bought a console (i am a hardcore PC gamer)

I have a question..i am going to buy Halo: Master chief collection physical disk (as the digital copy on xbox store is currently at approx. 3.3k but amazon is selling physical one @ 2.5k) and i came to know from some of the comments that 19GB patch update would be required.

How does this work?

1) Will the entire game be installed on 500GB HDD (including patch) and then it would not be required to insert the disk every time?
2) the patch will get install on HDD and i would be required to insert the disk everytime..

Please advice.

Vineet Sharma said:
Hi Guys,

Bought Xbox one console (500GB..Quantum break free) from flipkart (pretty sweet deal @ Rs. 27k). This is the first time that i have bought a console (i am a hardcore PC gamer)

I have a question..i am going to buy Halo: Master chief collection physical disk (as the digital copy on xbox store is currently at approx. 3.3k but amazon is selling physical one @ 2.5k) and i came to know from some of the comments that 19GB patch update would be required.

How does this work?

1) Will the entire game be installed on 500GB HDD (including patch) and then it would not be required to insert the disk every time?
2) the patch will get install on HDD and i would be required to insert the disk everytime..

Please advice.

From my Experience with consoles, The Disc is always required if the game is disc based (PS4).
I still haven't been able to use my xbone as I need to buy a step down 110v Transformer.

Vineet Sharma said:
Hi Guys,

1) Will the entire game be installed on 500GB HDD (including patch) and then it would not be required to insert the disk every time? - Yes, entire game will get installed on HDD. But it still needs disk in the console for authentication.
2) the patch will get install on HDD and i would be required to insert the disk everytime..

Please advice.

Please find below my answers in Bold for your queries.

1) Will the entire game be installed on 500GB HDD (including patch) and then it would not be required to insert the disk every time? - Yes, entire game will get installed on HDD. But it still needs disk in the console for authentication.
2) the patch will get install on HDD and i would be required to insert the disk everytime.. - Yes, this is correct

If you own a game on disk, you need to have the disk in console even though the game get installed in HDD. I think this is to control piracy. Else, any one can install the game and sell off the disk.

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt joins Xbox Game Pass in time for the Netflix premiere

Xbox Series X: all the news about Microsoft’s next-gen game console

Xbox series s will cost $299

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303230071033880576

@Desmond David maybe rename this thread to cater to Xbox and update the first post with the new Series S details, etc?

Sent from my vivo 1807 using Tapatalk

thetechfreak said:
@Desmond David maybe rename this thread

Done

thetechfreak said:
update the first post with the new Series S details, etc?

Too lazy to do that.

xbox series x will be $499

and release date is November 10

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303680112156524544

khalil1210 said:
xbox series x will be $499

and release date is November 10

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303680112156524544

50k in India because of customs + GST as usual

SaiyanGoku said:
50k in India because of customs + GST as usual

Wait till you see the Xbox Series S price

*preview.redd.it/mhvgq3q2u4m51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6477c17605dfaa60e2af29959ec953deffada640

chimera201 said:
Wait till you see the Xbox Series S price

*preview.redd.it/mhvgq3q2u4m51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6477c17605dfaa60e2af29959ec953deffada640

I know. Govt is the real culprit here.

That's definitely not taxes because the numbers don't add up compared to the Series X. And cheaper stuff usually have cheaper taxes like monitors under 32 inches having 18% instead of 28%.

chimera201 said:
Wait till you see the Xbox Series S price

*preview.redd.it/mhvgq3q2u4m51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6477c17605dfaa60e2af29959ec953deffada640

is this official? I was unable to find anything on microsoft website

khalil1210 said:
is this official? I was unable to find anything on microsoft website

They use stupid facebook

*www.facebook.com/XboxIndia/

C

Custom + gst on console is I think around 40%. (22+18) Which on $299 comes to about 31,000. $499 is actually about 52,000 so series x is appropriately priced.

Theoretically should'nt lower taxes by government increase the demand offsetting the loses.