TRAI invites Indians to comment on Net Neutrality Till 20th Aug 2015 Only So Hurry

It’s Your Time To Speak! TRAI invites Comments on Net Neutrality

Net Neutrality has become one of the most important buzzwords in the tech world over the past years. This simple principle states that all content on the internet should get equal speeds, and internet providers cannot discriminate between the content. So users will get the same speed of access to the Facebook as they would for Youtube. The Federal Communications Commission of America, after a intense public debate, sided with Net Neutrality which was seen as a big win for an open and free internet and seen as a rare instant when the public opinion was considered over corporate interests. Now it’s India’s turn to decide the future of the internet.

The Telecom Regulatory Authority of India(TRAI) has invited views of Indian citizens on the future of the Internet in the country. The regulatory agency is currently also considering the future course of action for the OTT (over-the-top) players such as apps like Whatsapp, Viber, Skype which let users make calls and send messages at reduced rates in comparison to telecom companies. This is why the government is being pressured by the telecom lobby to create a regulatory framework for these apps which are eating into the revenues of the companies.

Airtel recently was on the receiving end massive of massive public outrage for breaking the internet based services and charging exorbitant rates for them. The public backlash led the company to roll back the decision. This instance exhibited an immediate need for clear net neutrality policies in India.

You can send in your comments by 24th April, 2015 and counter comments by 8th May 2015 on email id advqos@trai.gov.in. You can find more information on the consultation paper on TRAI’s website.

Net Neutrality has been one of the founding principles of the internet which has been around since its early days. Our lives are getting more and more dependent on the internet with each passing day, and so it’s absolutely essential that the consumer demand it to be open and fair. So right now you have been given an opportunity send in your views and if you miss now you won’t have the right to complain later. So go ahead and tell TRAI and the Indian government to bring strong net neutrality policies and preserve the open and free internet.

If you are still not convinced to take action yet, we’ll let John Oliver explain why you should send in your comments to TRAI, right now!

Source: TRAI Asks Indians To Comment on Net Neutrality - iGyaan

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TRAI consulatation paper for the same: Consultation Paper : Telecom Regulatory Authority of India

Net Neutrality is chapter 5.

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*www.facebook.com/IndiaBakchod/videos/954135921297069/
Happy Internet Independence Day: AIB releases ?Save the Internet 2 ? Judgement Day"

Go through these and See what happened with all the e-mails sent :

Net neutrality: Trai exposes 1 million email IDs to spammers - The Times of India

We still have chance but till 20th Aug. 5:0 PM only :
*mygov.in/group-issue/give-your-comments-or-suggestions-recommendations-committee-net-neutrality/

Register, login and lodge your complain before it's too late and do mention :

1. We DON’T WANT Net Neutrality to be defined by telecom companies
2. We DON’T WANT telecom companies to control WHAT we access on the Internet and they CAN’T charge us money for accessing certain websites/applications on the Internet
3. We WANT to be able to access anything, at any time, without having to pay more for it separately.
4. We DON’T WANT licensing for Whatsapp, Viber or any other app we use
5. Access to ALL content on the internet should be accessible to everyone.

Wut net neutrality?

Read first few pages of the paper, whoever wrote that paper is using very old research and using it in wrong context, very much a Pro-ISPs person.
According to the view in the paper one feels that Mobile and BB companies are almost bankrupt due to OTT players like WhatsApp and Skype.
Gonna write them an email with proper counter facts even though I know that won't make a difference.

Please submit your answers to the TRAI before the 24th April, 2015 at advqos@trai.gov.in.

MediaNama is going to do the following over the next few weeks:
– Publish a simplified version of the complicated TRAI paper so that everyone can understand and participate. We’ll do this next week.
– Respond to queries regarding Net Neutrality so we can help you understand these issues better. We’ll do this next to next week.
– Publish a sample response and if possible, a response generator (we’ll need help with this) so you can submit your views to the TRAI easily.

The 20 questions:
Question 1: Is it too early to establish a regulatory framework for OTT services, since internet penetration is still evolving, access speeds are generally low and there is limited coverage of high-speed broadband in the country? Or, should some beginning be made now with a regulatory framework that could be adapted to changes in the future? Please comment with justifications.

Question 2: Should the OTT players offering communication services (voice, messaging and video call services) through applications (resident either in the country or outside) be brought under the licensing regime? Please comment with justifications.

Question 3: Is the growth of OTT impacting the traditional revenue stream of TSPs? If so, is the increase in data revenues of the TSPs sufficient to compensate for this impact? Please comment with reasons.

Question 4: Should the OTT players pay for use of the TSPs network over and above data charges paid by consumers? If yes, what pricing options can be adopted? Could such options include prices based on bandwidth consumption? Can prices be used as a means product/service differentiation? Please comment with justifications.

Question 5: Do you agree that imbalances exist in the regulatory environment in the operation of OTT players? If so, what should be the framework to address these issues? How can the prevailing laws and regulations be applied to OTT players (who operate in the virtual world) and compliance enforced? What could be the impact on the economy? Please comment with justifications.

Question 6: How should the security concerns be addressed with regard to OTT players providing communication services? What security conditions such as maintaining data records, logs etc. need to be mandated for such OTT players? And, how can compliance with these conditions be ensured if the applications of such OTT players reside outside the country? Please comment with justifications.

Question 7: How should the OTT players offering app services ensure security, safety and privacy of the consumer? How should they ensure protection of consumer interest? Please comment with justifications.

Question 8: In what manner can the proposals for a regulatory framework for OTTs in India draw from those of ETNO, referred to in para 4.23 or the best practices summarised in para 4.29? And, what practices should be proscribed by regulatory fiat? Please comment with justifications.

Question 9: What are your views on net-neutrality in the Indian context? How should the various principles discussed in para 5.47 be dealt with? Please comment with justifications.

Question 10: What forms of discrimination or traffic management practices are reasonable and consistent with a pragmatic approach? What should or can be permitted? Please comment with justifications.

Question 11: Should the TSPs be mandated to publish various traffic management techniques used for different OTT applications? Is this a sufficient condition to ensure transparency and a fair regulatory regime?

Question 12: How should a conducive and balanced environment be created such that TSPs are able to invest in network infrastructure and CAPs are able to innovate and grow? Who should bear the network upgradation costs? Please comment with justifications

Question 13: Should TSPs be allowed to implement non-price based discrimination of services? If so, under what circumstances are such practices acceptable? What restrictions, if any, need to be placed so that such measures are not abused? What measures should be adopted to ensure transparency to consumers? Please comment with justifications.

Question 14: Is there a justification for allowing differential pricing for data access and OTT communication services? If so, what changes need to be brought about in the present tariff and regulatory framework for telecommunication services in the country? Please comment with justifications.

Question 15: Should OTT communication service players be treated as Bulk User of Telecom Services (BuTS)? How should the framework be structured to prevent any discrimination and protect stakeholder interest? Please comment with justification.

Question 16: What framework should be adopted to encourage India-specific OTT apps? Please comment with justifications.

Question 17: If the OTT communication service players are to be licensed, should they be categorised as ASP or CSP? If so, what should be the framework? Please comment with justifications.

Question 18: Is there a need to regulate subscription charges for OTT communication services? Please comment with justifications.

Question 19: What steps should be taken by the Government for regulation of non-communication OTT players? Please comment with justifications.

Question 20: Are there any other issues that have a bearing on the subject discussed?

Should India have licensing of Internet services? Net Neutrality? TRAI wants your views - MediaNama

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Increase internet speed FIRST.

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Please make it simple... Answering these question is like solving UPSC paper... It is so much technical writing...

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amit.tiger12 said:
Please make it simple... Answering these question is like solving UPSC paper... It is so much technical writing...

That's their aim. Confuse the general public so much that they don't bother answering. Also, each of those questions ends with "Please comment with justifications.". What's the guarantee that they will accept our reasoning? I sense something bad coming.

A

^they want us to pay for every service...

Trai may regulate Skype, WhatsApp - The Times of India

K

stop letting telecom companies overcharge on data plans etc and dont let them ruin VOIP,IM etc
If you are already pricing calls,text and data so high,why charge again for VOIP and IM
those arent exactly free,you still pay a bombshell for the data to use these services

Get rid of poor FUP practices
50mbps till 5gb,then 512kbps unlimited for 1500 per month - Hathaway plan in my area :facepalm:

give atleast 2-4mbps minimum as FUP

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amit.tiger12 said:
^they want us to pay for every service...

Trai may regulate Skype, WhatsApp - The Times of India

exactly!!
we already pay ridiculous prices for data,why should we pay over that
doesnt make sense
unless you make a plan for unlimited whatsapp,unlimited skype or something without an additional data plan

Reloaded said:
Increase internet speed FIRST.

+ 90 Billion Trillion Zillion.

I agree. Increase minimum speed first.

I can barely watch a YT video on my 1mbps connection. Even on 360p. The video embedded in the first post of this thread about Net Neutrality. It was ironical to watch that vid.

*dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72261408/ortel.PNG

In my city, Ortel is the only other broadband in my city other than BSANAL
Just look at the pathetic plan they offer..

I m still waiting for the day when they will offer minimum speed of 2-4 mbps without FUP :/

uh net neutrality is about discriminating based on what service is being used on the bandwidth right?
well, first of all, in principle, Im against net neutrality. Some data is more critical than other data. One hypothetical scenario is a hospital, where one person is using a computer to surf funny cat pictures, and another person is looking up symptoms for a rare disease and how to treat it.
second point is, we should first have and use the services for the ISPs to be discriminating over it. As a regular user (for personal use), even if there is an intention to subscribe to services, not many of these are available in India.

Funnily enough, have no bandwidth problems with my 2mbps unlimited (no FUP) MTNL line at home (1k/m). For last year, while studying, have been using FUP'd BSNL line, and can understand what a pain it is.

What's posted on Post 12 is simply unbelievable! I should consider myself extremely lucky! God damn!

Net Neutrality is that we can chose which service to use without getting throttled by our isps, ex: Isps will start throttling video streaming or voip calling and telling to pay extra. When we pay for net we should be able to use it however we want.

First they should give pan india 2 mbps minimum FUP-less broadband for less than Rs 400 a month and then they can think about regulating OTT apps.

Download Speed by Country | Net Index from Ookla
World Average: 22.7 mbps
India's average: 6.7 mbps
What we actually get in India: 512 kbps :banghead:

that's around 1/50 th of the world's average.

According to List of countries by Internet connection speeds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, India stands at 51st position :facepalm:

Look at the internet speed in Romania. They get 100 mbps for Rs 450/month.

Nah, I don't think removing FUP totally is a good idea, cause as long as a-holes like me are there I will literally do anything possible, so for users like me there should be an FUP limit, and I am sure other users are like me are there too. However the minimum FUP should be 100 GB (this size is not linked with my usage type), and the absolute minimum speed should be 2 mbps.

Just like a school can't have students who score less than 30%, less than 2 mbps broadband should be eliminated from every corner of this country, effective immediately.

Dreaming? Yeah course!

A

So, Government Services are best for internet...
See this..
Broadband - MTNL Mumbai

Using one

ithehappy said:
Nah, I don't think removing FUP totally is a good idea, cause as long as a-holes like me are there I will literally do anything possible, so for users like me there should be an FUP limit, and I am sure other users are like me are there too. However the minimum FUP should be 100 GB (this size is not linked with my usage type), and the absolute minimum speed should be 2 mbps.

Just like a school can't have students who score less than 30%, less than 2 mbps broadband should be eliminated from every corner of this country, effective immediately.

Dreaming? Yeah course!

Why not get more bandwidth instead of enforcing FUP?

Nerevarine said:
*dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72261408/ortel.PNG

In my city, Ortel is the only other broadband in my city other than BSANAL
Just look at the pathetic plan they offer..

I m still waiting for the day when they will offer minimum speed of 2-4 mbps without FUP :/

Check these out:
1. Internet tariff plans
2. Odisha Cablenet Pvt. Ltd., Plans and Packages

amit.tiger12 said:
So, Government Services are best for internet...
See this..
Broadband - MTNL Mumbai

Using one

Yup. At one time they offered better plans, no FUP, 1mbps for 999, which got upgraded to 2mbps for 999. Although this plan is no longer available, they have a killer provision.

Existing Broadband Customers can continue in their existing plan or migrate to new plan of their choice

A

Anorion said:
Yup. At one time they offered better plans, no FUP, 1mbps for 999, which got upgraded to 2mbps for 999. Although this plan is no longer available, they have a killer provision.

^ similar kind of thing happen to me for broadband combo offer

Anorion said:
uh net neutrality is about discriminating based on what service is being used on the bandwidth right?
well, first of all, in principle, Im against net neutrality. Some data is more critical than other data. One hypothetical scenario is a hospital, where one person is using a computer to surf funny cat pictures, and another person is looking up symptoms for a rare disease and how to treat it.
second point is, we should first have and use the services for the ISPs to be discriminating over it. As a regular user (for personal use), even if there is an intention to subscribe to services, not many of these are available in India.

Funnily enough, have no bandwidth problems with my 2mbps unlimited (no FUP) MTNL line at home (1k/m). For last year, while studying, have been using FUP'd BSNL line, and can understand what a pain it is.

This kind of thinking is so wrong.

See the person who is using the phone to surf cat pictures has paid for a 1 Mbps bandwidth and he has to get it. Also the other person who is looking up information too has paid for 1 Mbps and he has to get it too. So where is the problem here? The ISP has to arrange for 2 Mbps to cater to both of them and throttle if any of them goes above 1 Mbps. Does not have anything to do with what each individual is doing with it.

The only situation where discrimination among network traffic is if you are in Antarctica and no chance of laying cables, have to use the only available satellite uplink and you need to transmit urgent earthquake warning while the person is surfing cat pictures then it is justified. Because there the pipe is common and no chance of putting new pipe.

In reality what the ISPs are doing right now is overselling the available bandwidth (something like what airlines used to do leading to people with confirmed tickets not getting seats) and trying to make dishonest profit by charging more for the same infrastructure. Thats plain wrong.

yup. Im against it for maximising revenue for the ISPs
Im for it theoretically. Like if the infrastructure of the Internet itself can understand what is critical data and what is not, and prioritize accordingly, in the case of bottlenecks or problems.

Come on. They have spent a lot in advertising themselves in creating and telecasting all those advertisements and marketing campaigns. They have to pay ARR, Abhishek, the zoo zoos etc. Who is going to pay the the TV channels for the ads? That is why they should not care about maintaining their existing capacity or increasing the capacity. Don't forget the investors, who come first. They do everything for the company and they should be rewarded with bonus when ever possible. And the board of directors along with them.

They should not care for the customers as they don't have any better service providers. They should make most out of the cartel that they have formed for fixing the prices. They should charge Rs. 500 for 100 MB/month and Rs. 10/MB after the limit. They all should have only this plan. Additionally, they should not have any call/message boosters at all. Also, users should be charged for USSD requests also.

Have I forgot something?

/s

S

Anorion said:
yup. Im against it for maximising revenue for the ISPs
Im for it theoretically. Like if the infrastructure of the Internet itself can understand what is critical data and what is not, and prioritize accordingly, in the case of bottlenecks or problems.

am sorry , you are getting it all wrong that is not how internet works, web treats data as data, the different protocols we use Https/http, ftp, BT, and is case of voip sip: etc use data without discriminating against it and there is no way to decide at what speed which data should travel , what TRAI which is in pockets of isps is trying to create multiple highways where they are speed cops and can write you a challan unless you pay up and that is so wrong on so many fronts, isps job is give my data at whatever price , package fixed by them and it is up to me how use it.

they do this and you won't see a Indian version of netflix, hulu etc and this what they are trying to stifle, innovation and they are afraid of it, worldwide esp in USA and India, isps are also in major big time media ,DHT, production , movies you name it and they already invested in that and they trying to maintain a monoply over that , web is a big threat to that business cause of ppl we call cord cutters who are not dependent on regular T.V . going after OTT is the first step, they tried in USA where it is same with comsat, verzion , time etc all are invested in media and they failed ,OTT is just an excuse real target it going after media providers on net.

on coming to services in India it down right path tic , i have worked in Sweden for over a year and i paid 15 euro for 1000/1000 fiber with no limits and 90 HD channels [ am leaving again in 2 days and frankly one of the reasons is internet out here]
FUP is a myth crated by isps , data costs but not that much esp since our own Indian telcos like tata and reliance are largest sellers of B/W to international isp like in Europe and they making killing out there . airtel is hugely invested in African markets and is now looking at Europe , these guys have already created a monoply , voip apps are not a threat to them unless they learn to evolve according to market and provide much faster, cheaper and reliable service like they in most of Europe and east asia .

p.s if they ever try regulate it you could use a vpn and tunnel voip over that and there already voip clients out there which mask their traffic as https , going after webz is futile web will always route against any damage.

^I completely agree. I have worked with an MNC for British Telecom , AT&T.
Airtel too has invested a lot of money in Africas.

Yeah it is like that free suggestion box that will never be opened and if opened will be going towards trash to make place for some more suggestions.

Will submit a counter comment soon. The Document is quite large and idiotic TBH.

gameranand said:
Will submit a counter comment soon. The Document is quite large and idiotic TBH.

Here you go.
It's bit un-crappified version.

*docs.google.com/document/d/1kNXtANR9UV6fSjV2DNrkcIMAJVVN4CJfHHiq_0kkx8E/edit

pratyush997 said:
Here you go.
It's bit un-crappified version.

*docs.google.com/document/d/1kNXtANR9UV6fSjV2DNrkcIMAJVVN4CJfHHiq_0kkx8E/edit

Thanks...Much appreciated.

Its the first time that I am spamming my Status updates with NetNeutrality hashtags and related links and pics. I hope it pays off.

gameranand said:
Its the first time that I am spamming my Status updates with NetNeutrality hashtags and related links and pics. I hope it pays off.

Keep checking this site - India: United We Stand

and THIS

- *www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/322iv8/trai_asking_for_feedback_on_their_proposal_is_a/

Anorion said:
uh net neutrality is about discriminating based on what service is being used on the bandwidth right?
well, first of all, in principle, Im against net neutrality. Some data is more critical than other data. One hypothetical scenario is a hospital, where one person is using a computer to surf funny cat pictures, and another person is looking up symptoms for a rare disease and how to treat it.
second point is, we should first have and use the services for the ISPs to be discriminating over it. As a regular user (for personal use), even if there is an intention to subscribe to services, not many of these are available in India.

Funnily enough, have no bandwidth problems with my 2mbps unlimited (no FUP) MTNL line at home (1k/m). For last year, while studying, have been using FUP'd BSNL line, and can understand what a pain it is.

what you have said is correct, but i think you have missed a point. its not upto to the ISPs to regulate the internet. if an institution want to discourage its employees from visiting a certain website, then they will block those sites using filters. the ISPs' duty is to provide equal net connection, and they must do it. its like having parental control.

I don't know what you guys are planning, but I'm writing to my local newspapers and giving a speech in my school on this.
Because debating over here is not gonna make a difference. A single newspaper column reaches lakhs of people. And a single speech reaches ~500 people. If anyone has a better idea please do tell me.

adityak469 said:
I don't know what you guys are planning, but I'm writing to my local newspapers and giving a speech in my school on this.
Because debating over here is not gonna make a difference. A single newspaper column reaches lakhs of people. And a single speech reaches ~500 people. If anyone has a better idea please do tell me.

This is good I will also do something similar.

Sorry to promote here
Please start posting in my sub reddit.
Net Neutrality for India.

I could really use some help from users who know CSS.

or just head over to Save The Internet!
It's 2 clicks stuff.

pratyush997 said:
or just head over to Save The Internet!
It's 2 clicks stuff.

Right. Signing pledges won't help. This is actually what everyone should do.

krishnandu.sarkar said:
Right. Signing pledges won't help. This is actually what everyone should do.

Signing Pledges in India is kind of joke.
BTW new AIB video is good!

AIB : Save The Internet - YouTube

pratyush997 said:
or just head over to Save The Internet!
It's 2 clicks stuff.

This is good. Many of the lazy people can click a few clicks.

pratyush997 said:
or just head over to Save The Internet!
It's 2 clicks stuff.

this wont help much actually. but you can always give a try. a better way would be to use mass media.

adityak469 said:
this wont help much actually. but you can always give a try. a better way would be to use mass media.

It's the only Possible solution to prevent OTT from happening. TRAI ASKED us to mail them.

pratyush997 said:
It's the only Possible solution to prevent OTT from happening. TRAI ASKED us to mail them.

Though I highly doubt whether they would read these thousands of mails. And will they really decide based on our suggestions?

Isn't it obvious that, people doesn't wants this and chances are 99% of people will email them against it. So what's the point of asking?

Just curious...may be I'm not able to understand their POV.

krishnandu.sarkar said:
Though I highly doubt whether they would read these thousands of mails. And will they really decide based on our suggestions?

Isn't it obvious that, people doesn't wants this and chances are 99% of people will email them against it. So what's the point of asking?

Just curious...may be I'm not able to understand their POV.

They are just 6-7. ofc, they won't read mails. They should just see who is in favour and who is against (WHO IS AGAINST? ) .

pratyush997 said:
It's the only Possible solution to prevent OTT from happening. TRAI ASKED us to mail them.

if they really wanted our opinions, they'd have given a far far far much more time. FCC gave America ~300 days for their opinion. what we got wasnt even a month.

Also TRAI's head/chief or whatever is retiring this month, so if this is implemented, he'll be the scapegoat and the new head/chief/whatever will get away with it while making a lot of money.

adityak469 said:
if they really wanted our opinions, they'd have given a far far far much more time. FCC gave America ~300 days for their opinion. what we got wasnt even a month.

Also TRAI's head/chief or whatever is retiring this month, so if this is implemented, he'll be the scapegoat and the new head/chief/whatever will get away with it while making a lot of money.

I know, TRAI asking for feedback on their proposal is a sham : india

I sent that email which was linked here (or maybe elsewhere, don't remember) and just some minutes ago I got this,

*i.imgur.com/duBx8YK.jpg

ithehappy said:
I sent that email which was linked here (or maybe elsewhere, don't remember) and just some minutes ago I got this,

*i.imgur.com/duBx8YK.jpg

well either its a glitch or GMail is marking this as a spam message(which was inevitable)

ithehappy said:
I sent that email which was linked here (or maybe elsewhere, don't remember) and just some minutes ago I got this,

*i.imgur.com/duBx8YK.jpg

It's not a problem. A!B said so on twitter.

^Ah, okay then.

*icl.googleusercontent.com/?lite_ur...inize-airtel-zero/134079/&lc=en-IN&geid=2&s=1

[MENTION=99398]ithehappy[/MENTION] [MENTION=271931]adityak469[/MENTION] [MENTION=134913]pratyush997[/MENTION]

This is because, the peoples who used savetheinternet.in to send the Mails, along with the official TRAI mail ID, AIB bcc'd them just to confirm, which is a Gmail ID.

Now that peoples are responding, Google is blocking AIB Gmail ID to receive mails at such a high rate. Your mail got successfully delivered to TRAI Mail ID though.

You'll get it, if you read the mail.

*www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/32j7up/speech_for_net_neutrality/

Here's my thread for a speech I prepared for my school, hope you guys like it! All suggestions are welcome, here or on reddit?

Flipkart CEO logs in for net neutrality

Flipkart opts out of Airtel Zero

-commerce website Flipkart announced on Tuesday that it will not take part in the Airtel Zero programme and pledged its support to net neutrality.

"We at Flipkart have always strongly believed in the concept of #NetNeutrality, for we exist because of the Internet," said a tweet from the company's offical Twitter handle.

Over the past few days, there has been a great amount of debate, both internally and externally, on the topic of zero rating, and we have a deeper understanding of the implications, said a press release from the company.

"We will be walking away from the ongoing discussions with Airtel for their platform Airtel Zero," the release said.

Committing itself to the "larger cause of Net Neutrality," the company said it will be working towards ensuring that the spirit of net neutrality is upheld and applied equally to all companies in India irrespective of the size or the service being offered and there is absolutely no discrimination whatsoever.

"We do not support anything that could discriminate one company or service over the other by creating roadblocks that compromise the experience that they promise to offer," Sachin Bansal, CEO of Flipkart said in an interview to nextbigwhat.com.

The CEO had earlier expressed his support to Airtel Zero, an open marketing platform from telecom giant Airtel, that allows customers to access a variety of mobile applications for free, with the data charges being paid by start-ups and large companies.

We are in favour of net neutrality, Flipkart CEO - The Hindu

^all thanks to reddit India :')

Finally FK pulled back, they realised how much the public is pissed at that. In my college we ordered about 20 products just to cancel them.

Nice. So those who make an alliance with these isps enforcing such plans , let's order in bulk and cancel them stating net neutrality in reason.

Not a bad idea , indeed to piss off them.

P

All user's of thinkdigit and other forums come together and support Net Neutrality and safe the internet

Order... then cancel, LoL

*i.imgur.com/lSwLS1F.jpg

Way to piss them off

Yeah looks like we are getting the results.

Please keep following /r/india and follow the steps.

India does not need net neutrality | Business Standard On The Beat

Anorion said:
India does not need net neutrality | Business Standard On The Beat

link to the reddit thread as well

India does not need net neutrality : india

Just Encouraging folks to post about it NN.
[NetNeutrality] Poster on University's Notice Board! I've done my part, have you? : india

pratyush997 said:
Just Encouraging folks to post about it NN.
[NetNeutrality] Poster on University's Notice Board! I've done my part, have you? : india

Good initiative bro. But make sure you inform them about the backend story too, else it'll happen like...

*i.imgur.com/iYwICo5.jpg

*i.imgur.com/uySEDMY.jpg

S

Ahem stupid question: Why does our powers that be need "comments" from people to stop something bad?

krishnandu.sarkar said:
Good initiative bro. But make sure you inform them about the backend story too, else it'll happen like...

*i.imgur.com/iYwICo5.jpg

*i.imgur.com/uySEDMY.jpg

Ignorance is gonna cost them!
And who dafaq hashtags micromaxcanvasspark in comments ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

.jRay. said:
Ignorance is gonna cost them!
And who dafaq hashtags micromaxcanvasspark in comments ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Only he knows

WTH is this

I tried to surf on Vodafone Internet with opera mini, it showed me opera mini pack; 8 rs for 20mb for one day.

TRAI consultation paper was written by telecom industry representatives. savetheinternet.in team has prepared a document explaining the blatant copy-paste job.

*www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/32o00z/proof_the_trai_consultation_paper_was_written_by/

saiyaman said:
Ahem stupid question: Why does our powers that be need "comments" from people to stop something bad?

this is an immense opportunity. TRAI is saying watch this, we gonna draft the most progressive regulations about net neutrality possible.

Everything is becoming s**t in india day by day.
Bloody ministers & these businessmans :evil:

Anorion said:
India does not need net neutrality | Business Standard On The Beat

For a writer "he" sure "uses" lots of "double quotes" for "emphasis". :lol:

What is this, looting indian money by ministers in technical way so that no one [public] can understand

A

aren't those free things/services are different than net neutrality?? can anyone clear my doubt?
and How this free things (like internet.org) came into discussion??
free things/stuffs is different and net neutrality is different? right?
we want net neutrality because we don't want to pay for each site we visit (as sites does not want money from us)...
so why internet.org is big issue?? I don't understand that..

(please quote)

Just left it as it is. :-x

A

^ talking to me???

amit.tiger12 said:
^ talking to me???

Read the same sentence with 'left' replaced with 'leave'. Then read it again with 'left'. You'd know the difference.

A

ico said:
Read the same sentence with 'left' replaced with 'leave'. Then read it again with 'left'. You'd know the difference.

I got that. left leave...

but thanks
but i want to know more views and difference between those free services and net neutrality. So left it as it was on "closed (flipkart)" thread..

As an Airtel customer I got this mail today

Dear Customer

Over the last few days you may have seen a lot of conversation on our toll free platform Airtel Zero. It has been painted as a move that violates net neutrality and we have been very concerned at the incorrect information that has been carried by some quarters in the media as well as in social media. I wanted to take this opportunity to clear the air and reiterate that we are completely committed to net neutrality. Let me clarify.

Our vision is to have every Indian on the internet. There are millions of Indians who think that the internet is expensive and do not know what it can do for them. We believe that every Indian has the right to be on the internet. We know that if we allow them to experience the joys of the internet they will join the digital revolution.

Airtel Zero is a technology platform that connects application providers to their customers for free. The platform allows any content or application provider to enroll on it so that their customers can visit these sites for free. Instead of charging customers we charge the providers who choose to get on to the platform.

Our platform is open to all application developers, content providers and internet sites on an equal basis. The same rate card is offered to all these providers on a totally non discriminatory basis.

There is no difference between this and toll free voice such as 1-800. When a company selling an insurance product enrols into the toll free voice platform, customers who call the number are not charged but when they call a normal number they are charged. Calls are not blocked or given preferential treatment else our whole business would be jeopardized. Toll free voice helps the business owner engage with their customer. At the same time it provides the customer the benefit of reaching the business for free. Toll free voice is not a product or a tariff plan, it is merely a technology platform. We are simply taking the same concept of toll free voice to the world of data. As a result it is for the application developer and their customer to decide how data charges will be paid for. If the application developer is on the platform they pay for the data and their customer does not. If the developer is not on the platform the customer pays for data as they do now. Companies are free to choose whether they want to be on the platform or not. This does not change access to the content in any way whatsoever. Customers are free to choose which web site they want to visit, whether it is toll free or not. If they visit a toll free site they are not charged for data. If they visit any other site normal data charges apply.

Finally every web site, content or application will always be given the same treatment on our network whether they are on the toll free platform or not. As a company we do not ever block, throttle or provide any differential speeds to any web site. We have never done it and will never do it. We believe customers are the reason we are in business. As a result we will always do what is right for our customers.
There has been a deliberate effort by some quarters to confuse people that we will offer differential speeds or differential access for different sites. This is untrue. After all we earn revenues from data. If there are more customers who are on the Internet the better it is for our business. Our revenues are not dependent on which sites they visit because we charge on the basis of consumption of mega bytes not which site they visited.

In sum our platform is a technology platform and is open to all application developers and their customers. Our platform only provides a choice of how the data that is consumed is paid for by any of the two - the application provider or their customer. Whether any application provider enrolls on the platform or not is entirely their choice. All we have is a technology. We do not have a product or tariff plan that we have launched. We simply have a platform. And every application developer and their customer is free to choose in an entirely neutral way what they want to do.

In conclusion, we stand fully committed to net neutrality to ensure the goals of the Prime Minister`s vision of digital India are met.

Regards,
Gopal Vittal
MD & CEO
Bharti Airtel Ltd.
India & South Asia

^ okay, so is this wrong interpretation of media or airtel is lying

wrong interpretation of media, and people also. Wanted to point it out, but it is a small and trivial matter as far as the larger issue is concerned
airtel zero may have been a trigger or a tipping point, but is not the primary issue really
airtel is also lying, and using this opportunity to give a positive spin and take a stance
even though this particular case may check out as far as net neutrality is concerned, there have been cases where their policies clearly did not. This example is from before airtel zero: What Net Neutrality? VoIP Calls Such as Skype Could Cost Extra on Airtel | NDTV Gadgets

Airtel is smartly distancing itself from such disastrous decisions in the past by saying airtel zero is not against net neutrality, and airtel believes in net neutrality.

it is taking some time for me to read and understand the whole TRAI document, it is a little all over the place and cannot understand whether it is about ISPs or telecom and what are considerations for cable/tv services are doing there
going by face value
only 20% of those with mobiles use internet, and that too mostly on 2g. Those that do are reaching the limit of what available spectrum is there because of some hungry services like cloud back up and video. Also, whatsapp or skype is not answerable to you if something goes wrong in their service, in the same way and under the same rules that airtel is, for providing essentially the same service, that is unfair no? (this can be a simple procedural step that adds to costs... what if whatsapp had to verify your documents in the same way that airtel has to do).
FUP based connectivity is an already existing solution, which is what it will eventually come down to, I'm guessing.

Both sides appear to be fighting preemptively over something that might never happen or at least in a situation where we have too little data to meaningfully make decisions on what to regulate at this moment. This seems like a fight to keep stuff free, not really so much for freedom. there seems to be some kind of a drive to get off facebook. how about some kind of a drive to get on internet services? like ditch your hard drives and use cloud back up only? or a drive to delete all illegal mp3s and access music through legal means only.

Dear Customer

Over the last few days you may have seen a lot of conversation on our toll free platform Airtel Zero. It has been painted as a move that violates net neutrality and we have been very concerned at the incorrect information that has been carried by some quarters in the media as well as in social media. I wanted to take this opportunity to clear the air and reiterate that we are completely committed to net neutrality. Let me clarify.

Our vision is to have every Indian on the internet. There are millions of Indians who think that the internet is expensive and do not know what it can do for them. We believe that every Indian has the right to be on the internet. We know that if we allow them to experience the joys of the internet they will join the digital revolution.

Airtel Zero is a technology platform that connects application providers to their customers for free. The platform allows any content or application provider to enroll on it so that their customers can visit these sites for free. Instead of charging customers we charge the providers who choose to get on to the platform.
Is it the Providers who choose to get on the platform, or is it Airtel who chooses who comes onboard??
also, the providers who will pay you to enroll will undeniably be businesses [flipkart ] who are looking to attract more customers. if not businesses, it will be social networking sites, like fb and others who are looking to increase popularity. at most youtube and google mail.
of all of these, true internet is none. true internet signifies the permeability of information across the world. fb, youtube, twitter, none of them can stand up to that.
for god's sake, facebook was made by a man to make meeting up with women in his college easier. it evolved from that to being the "internet" for millions of people across the world. and flipkart is just india's largest online marketplace.

Our platform is open to all application developers, content providers and internet sites on an equal basis. The same rate card is offered to all these providers on a totally non discriminatory basis.
while you are thinking that you are providing internet access to the masses in the form of social networking sites, online shopping sites and video sharing sites, what you are doing in reality, is distorting the meaning of internet for the masses.
we understand that you stand to gain nothing from this as you are getting paid for MBs either way, but the road you are taking will undeniably lead to a smaller internet for some people.
here i am talking about the indian janata, because we love everything FREE FREE FREE. Free ke chakkar mein sab kho baithenge.

There is no difference between this and toll free voice such as 1-800. When a company selling an insurance product enrols into the toll free voice platform, customers who call the number are not charged but when they call a normal number they are charged. Calls are not blocked or given preferential treatment else our whole business would be jeopardized. Toll free voice helps the business owner engage with their customer. At the same time it provides the customer the benefit of reaching the business for free. Toll free voice is not a product or a tariff plan, it is merely a technology platform. We are simply taking the same concept of toll free voice to the world of data. As a result it is for the application developer and their customer to decide how data charges will be paid for. If the application developer is on the platform they pay for the data and their customer does not. If the developer is not on the platform the customer pays for data as they do now. Companies are free to choose whether they want to be on the platform or not. This does not change access to the content in any way whatsoever. Customers are free to choose which web site they want to visit, whether it is toll free or not. If they visit a toll free site they are not charged for data. If they visit any other site normal data charges apply.
Calling is SO much different than internet browsing.
Toll free numbers in India are primarily after sales service providers. When i have bought a costly product from a company , and there is an problem with the product, i would hardly appreciate calling up the service for the company on my expense and plead them to come and fix the issue. Calling is much more personal, and carries a much more urgency label than, say, posting a I-am-having-a-problem-with-my-product-please-send-someone-to-fix-it post on the company grievance mail/forum.
There is a reason that toll free customer care numbers are maintained by companies whcih have costly products.
Reality check: many other organisations have toll free numbers for other purposes. but do they share the same popularity as a leading electronics cos' customer service number? my company has a toll free emergency number. and yet i have my costly mobile's toll free and my bank's toll free customer care number number saved on my mobile.

Finally every web site, content or application will always be given the same treatment on our network whether they are on the toll free platform or not. As a company we do not ever block, throttle or provide any differential speeds to any web site. We have never done it and will never do it. We believe customers are the reason we are in business. As a result we will always do what is right for our customers.
Sure, but can you say, in writing, that someyears down the line, you will not start charging for the VOIP calls from OTT providers??
Lets face this: Voice Calls are still the major source of revenue that you have. If whatsapp, skype, viber and hike calling get popular, then your revenue sources will drop abysmally. Then what will you do? every tom dick and harry will buy a 3G data pack and carry out all his calling on these apps.
as a business, would you let your profit margins fall?

There has been a deliberate effort by some quarters to confuse people that we will offer differential speeds or differential access for different sites. This is untrue. After all we earn revenues from data. If there are more customers who are on the Internet the better it is for our business. Our revenues are not dependent on which sites they visit because we charge on the basis of consumption of mega bytes not which site they visited.
as i said, the major source of revenue is still from voice calls.
There has been no DELIBERATE effort from any quarters of the interwebs to undermine any of the efforts by you to bring free internet to the masses. the idea that is out on the internet now is just a logical conclusion to the problem that you will face.
if every tom dick and harry will buy a data pack and carry out all his calling duties on these OTT apps, your major source of revenue will drop, and a business tryin to maximise you profits, you will have to catch a hold of these calls going out through the OTT apps.
as a counter point, you may say that the revenue from tom dick and harry buying the data packs would up the revenue from data. yes, certainly viable. but you are already invested in setting up infrastructure for voice calling costing millions of rupees. will you be willing to loose that to dwindling revenues?
As for diffential speeds and throttling, we can not prove that unless we have some viable data for examination. that goes for you too; unless you provide definite proof for the same, there will be suspicions.

In sum our platform is a technology platform and is open to all application developers and their customers. Our platform only provides a choice of how the data that is consumed is paid for by any of the two - the application provider or their customer. Whether any application provider enrolls on the platform or not is entirely their choice. All we have is a technology. We do not have a product or tariff plan that we have launched. We simply have a platform. And every application developer and their customer is free to choose in an entirely neutral way what they want to do.

In conclusion, we stand fully committed to net neutrality to ensure the goals of the Prime Minister`s vision of digital India are met.
Thats what you say. What guarantee is there that the next MD & CEO will have the same views as you?

Regards,
Gopal Vittal
MD & CEO
Bharti Airtel Ltd.
India & South Asia

my views and questions in bold.

amjath said:
^ okay, so is this wrong interpretation of media or airtel is lying

A lying telecom company ??? no way......

R

anirbandd said:
my views and questions in bold.

I agree with that completely.

vito scalleta said:
A lying telecom company ??? no way......

Why not? They haven't have done anything to prove otherwise.
Also, they have always taken steps to curb people interest for there own petty needs.
Like concept of FUP. Indian market didnt have the maturity to implement something like that as we already had slow speeds with limited bandwidth. Still, airtel went ahead and implemented FUP at ridiculous speeds and size of 5gb or 10gb.

Look at countries Like USA where too it have been implemented but they have a matured market. They already have high bandwidth and speed. So puttings caps at 150-300gb is not a issue at all.

These companies are not there to safeguard your interests. Thinking otherwise is stupidity. They won't miss a single chance to take advantage of people like you.
Nothing is free in this world. They are just showing you a glorious picture of some free apps while taking the whole internet away from us all.

REDHOTIRON2004 said:
Why not? They haven't have done anything to prove otherwise.
Also, they have always taken steps to curb people interest for there own petty needs.
Like concept of FUP. Indian market didnt have the maturity to implement something like that as we already had slow speeds with limited bandwidth. Still, airtel went ahead and implemented FUP at ridiculous speeds and size of 5gb or 10gb.

Look at countries Like USA where too it have been implemented but they have a matured market. They already have high bandwidth and speed. So puttings caps at 150-300gb is not a issue at all.

These companies are not there to safeguard your interests. Thinking otherwise is stupidity. They won't miss a single chance to take advantage of people like you.
Nothing is free in this world. They are just showing you a glorious picture of some free apps while taking the whole internet away from us all.

That was meant as a sarcasm, I guess.

REDHOTIRON2004 said:
I agree with that completely.

Why not? They haven't have done anything to prove otherwise.
Also, they have always taken steps to curb people interest for there own petty needs.
Like concept of FUP. Indian market didnt have the maturity to implement something like that as we already had slow speeds with limited bandwidth. Still, airtel went ahead and implemented FUP at ridiculous speeds and size of 5gb or 10gb.

Look at countries Like USA where too it have been implemented but they have a matured market. They already have high bandwidth and speed. So puttings caps at 150-300gb is not a issue at all.

These companies are not there to safeguard your interests. Thinking otherwise is stupidity. They won't miss a single chance to take advantage of people like you.
Nothing is free in this world. They are just showing you a glorious picture of some free apps while taking the whole internet away from us all

Sarcasm.

REDHOTIRON2004 said:
I agree with that completely.

Why not? They haven't have done anything to prove otherwise.
Also, they have always taken steps to curb people interest for there own petty needs.
Like concept of FUP. Indian market didnt have the maturity to implement something like that as we already had slow speeds with limited bandwidth. Still, airtel went ahead and implemented FUP at ridiculous speeds and size of 5gb or 10gb.

Look at countries Like USA where too it have been implemented but they have a matured market. They already have high bandwidth and speed. So puttings caps at 150-300gb is not a issue at all.

These companies are not there to safeguard your interests. Thinking otherwise is stupidity. They won't miss a single chance to take advantage of people like you.
Nothing is free in this world. They are just showing you a glorious picture of some free apps while taking the whole internet away from us all.

It was sarcasm. no should believe the words from a telecom company without gng thru the nooks and corners of the entire text and comtemplating all possible meanings it can bear..

A very well intended sarcasm.

Net Neutrality: Trai says 'shrill voices' won't win debate | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

****er has already taken the money from Telcos.

I am not getting a good feeling from this. Now that they have received plenty of emails so they are taking the other route to make the decision stand up ugh.

Hah. Shrill voices.

Mofos. All of them are dirty mofos.

See what happened with all the e-mails sent :
Net neutrality: Trai exposes 1 million email IDs to spammers - The Times of India

We still have chance but till today only :
*mygov.in/group-issue/give-your-comments-or-suggestions-recommendations-committee-net-neutrality/

Register, login and lodge your complain before it's too late and do mention :

1. We DON’T WANT Net Neutrality to be defined by telecom companies
2. We DON’T WANT telecom companies to control WHAT we access on the Internet and they CAN’T charge us money for accessing certain websites/applications on the Internet
3. We WANT to be able to access anything, at any time, without having to pay more for it separately.
4. We DON’T WANT licensing for Whatsapp, Viber or any other app we use
5. Access to ALL content on the internet should be accessible to everyone.

Can I share above msg in WhatsApp to all friends?

^definitely...

I've done my part but this won't make any difference. TRAI is just testing the water, they'll do whatever they feel like.

^^ Me too done my part.

S

I can't help but thank the organization for it's fascinating intelligence on getting the people's comments to prevent something obviously bad which they could have done without this.

You did not get the whole picture. Getting our onions sure do feels great but it's ain't going to change a thing. Anyway, kudos to those four who have taken the initiative to spread public awareness about this.

topgear said:
You did not get the whole picture. Getting our onions sure do feels great but it's ain't going to change a thing. Anyway, kudos to those four who have taken the initiative to spread public awareness about this.

Me Too .... Did my Part
--- useless though - we all know this ain't gonna change a thing.

S

topgear said:
You did not get the whole picture. Getting our onions sure do feels great but it's ain't going to change a thing. Anyway, kudos to those four who have taken the initiative to spread public awareness about this.

My post meant: Why does the TRAI have to ask us about this? Why can't they take the step to keep the internet as it is when the world knows that is the obvious right choice?

My post was meant to be sarcastic

They are simply trying to show that we live in a democracy and we do not give a s#!t about the people of this country.

^^ That is what they always do.

saiyaman said:
My post meant: Why does the TRAI have to ask us about this? Why can't they take the step to keep the internet as it is when the world knows that is the obvious right choice?

My post was meant to be sarcastic

Okay, got it

ANyway, some food for thought :

*factly.in/indian-parliament-canteen-price-list-who-decides-rates-for-food-in-parliament-canteens/
Rs 50,000 salary to laundry services: Here's what your MP gets - Firstpost