Upgrade Help · DIGIT-ARC

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Looking to upgrade my system, so anything which can be reused I will do, I take it that Proc, MB, GPU, RAM are minimum requirement. My current setup is AMD 8320 with asus MB

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Casual gaming for COD and NFS

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: Havent decided but looking for value for money, for ex ryzen 5 and its combination

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: NA, I already have SSD and HDD will be using from my old computer

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Already have Benq 24, fullhd

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: HDD, Monitor, KB and Mouse, Anything which can be reused without impacting the new setup

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: June 2020

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes, will do it myself

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Looking for online only due to current situation

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Looking for wifi and bluetooth so thats mandaotry in MB

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daemon1 said:
Havent decided but looking for value for money, for ex ryzen 5 and its combination

For someone a 50k rig can be value for money while for another even a 25k rig can be value for money. At least give an upper limit of budget.

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whitestar_999 said:
For someone a 50k rig can be value for money while for another even a 25k rig can be value for money. At least give an upper limit of budget.

around 75k

daemon1 said:
1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Casual gaming for COD and NFS

Which COD and NFS games? There are old ones which would run smoothly on an iGPU but new ones require decent GPU for good experience.

Don't go for a mobo just because it has wifi and bluetooth.

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SaiyanGoku said:
Which COD and NFS games? There are old ones which would run smoothly on an iGPU but new ones require decent GPU for good experience.
All latest and upcoming (Modern warfare, BO4 etc )
Don't go for a mobo just because it has wifi and bluetooth.

I am looking for good MB with those features

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daemon1 said:
I am looking for good MB with those features

Why? I mean there are good mobos without bluetooth & wifi & you can always buy usb adapters for these which will not only be portable in size but also versatile in the sense you can use them across multiple devices. Take current lockdown situation for example, my laptop wifi was not working properly but I had a spare usb wifi adapter from my desktop(I got a new better one for my desktop years ago) so I used that for my laptop as an alternative wifi.

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whitestar_999 said:
Why? I mean there are good mobos without bluetooth & wifi & you can always buy usb adapters for these which will not only be portable in size but also versatile in the sense you can use them across multiple devices. Take current lockdown situation for example, my laptop wifi was not working properly but I had a spare usb wifi adapter from my desktop(I got a new better one for my desktop years ago) so I used that for my laptop as an alternative wifi.

Does it mean that MB which are giving these features are not good as compare to those aren't? I am asking because of genuine lack of understanding. I understand I would be paying some price for these features but Im fine with that.

I already have all type of dongles and really want to get rid of them. Using it as a backup is fine, that is what I want to do.

daemon1 said:
Does it mean that MB which are giving these features are not good as compare to those aren't? I am asking because of genuine lack of understanding. I understand I would be paying some price for these features but Im fine with that.

I already have all type of dongles and really want to get rid of them. Using it as a backup is fine, that is what I want to do.

No, usually those boards are priced higher than a comparable board + PCI adapter.

There are BT & WiFi dongles, don't buy MB based on the presence of WiFi.

Also, what's your monitor specs? Its resolution & refresh rate.

daemon1 said:
Does it mean that MB which are giving these features are not good as compare to those aren't? I am asking because of genuine lack of understanding. I understand I would be paying some price for these features but Im fine with that.

I already have all type of dongles and really want to get rid of them. Using it as a backup is fine, that is what I want to do.

There's more to a MB than its "features". In simple terms, like MP of a camera doesn't define its quality, its kind of similar stuff here. Major parameter people consider is VRM quality. Also, brand & other common issues with a MB, if any, are other important parameters to consider.

75k rig w/o monitor, HDD & SSD:

CPU - AMD R5 3600 - 15.5k

Mobo - AsRock B450 Pro4 - 7k*

RAM - 2x8GB DDR4 3600MHz - 7k

GPU - Zotac RTX 2060 - 25k

M.2 SSD - WD SN550 500GB - 6k**

HDD - ~~WD/Seagate 1TB - 3k~~

PSU - Corsair TX650M - 7.4k

Cabinet - Antec NX800 or other mid tower ATX - 6.3k

Monitor - ~~Acer Nitro VG270P 27″ 1080p 144Hz IPS Freesync - 19k~~

Total - 68.2k

I feel its time to retire your old PSU & maybe even the cabinet.

Budget -75k (AMD Gaming Rig) RTX 2060 Super

Processor -AMD Ryzen 5 3600 -16.3k
Motherboard -MSi B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC -11.3k
RAM -G.Skill SniperX 16GB(8GBx2) 3600Mhz -7.3k
Power Supply -Antec NE600G Zen Neo Eco Gold -5.5k
GPU -Zotac Gaming RTX 2060 Super Mini -31.6k
Cabinet -Antec GX202 Blue -3k

Total -75K

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bssunilreddy said:
Budget -75k (AMD Gaming Rig) RTX 2060 Super

Processor -AMD Ryzen 5 3600 -16.3k
Motherboard -MSi B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC -11.3k
RAM -G.Skill SniperX 16GB(8GBx2) 3600Mhz -7.3k
Power Supply -Antec NE600G Zen Neo Eco Gold -5.5k
GPU -Zotac Gaming RTX 2060 Super Mini -31.6k
Cabinet -Antec GX202 Blue -3k

Total -75K

From which site you have shared this price. I do not see these prices in Amazon or mdcomputers. RTX 2060 Super Mini start at 35, Ryzen 5 at 17 etc.

daemon1 said:
From which site you have shared this price. I do not see these prices in Amazon or mdcomputers. RTX 2060 Super Mini start at 35, Ryzen 5 at 17 etc.

Other than mdcomputers, check primeabgb, vedantcomputers & theitdepot. Amazon is usually more expensive.

daemon1 said:
From which site you have shared this price. I do not see these prices in Amazon or mdcomputers. RTX 2060 Super Mini start at 35, Ryzen 5 at 17 etc.

Graphics Card

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Is it worth upgrading monitor? My current monitor is BenQ RL2455HM gaming monitor.

Also, are M.2 Internal Solid State Drive worth buying and its price?

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daemon1 said:
Also, are M.2 Internal Solid State Drive worth buying and its price?

Only if you currently have cheapest ssd model & even then I would not suggest it simply because current ssd prices are increased by as much as 40% compared to last year when I might have suggested it.

P.S. m2 ssd are of two types: m2 sata(which is basically just your regular 2.5" ssd without the external covering) & m2 NVMe which is faster & the one to get but difference between a good sata 2.5" ssd like samsung 860 evo or crucial mx500 & cheaper NVMe models is practically negligible for typical user/usage scenario.

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bssunilreddy said:
Budget -75k (AMD Gaming Rig) RTX 2060 Super

Processor -AMD Ryzen 5 3600 -16.3k
Motherboard -MSi B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC -11.3k
RAM -G.Skill SniperX 16GB(8GBx2) 3600Mhz -7.3k
Power Supply -Antec NE600G Zen Neo Eco Gold -5.5k
GPU -Zotac Gaming RTX 2060 Super Mini -31.6k
Cabinet -Antec GX202 Blue -3k

Total -75K

Looking at this post: RTX 2060 Super or RTX 2070 Super for mid/high 4K gaming?
I see 5700 is better then 2060S, Any reason not to go for AMD? cost is also equal if not less.

*www.primeabgb.com/?post_type=product&taxonomy=product_cat&s=rx+5700

*www.vedantcomputers.com/products/g...60 SUPER/sort=p.sort_order/order=ASC/limit=12

daemon1 said:
Is it worth upgrading monitor? My current monitor is BenQ RL2455HM gaming monitor.

Also, are M.2 Internal Solid State Drive worth buying and its price?

You can get 1080p 144Hz IPS display at 15k these days, so a nice upgrade if you can spend extra, otherwise your 1080p 75Hz TN is fine.

M.2 NVMe SSD prices are increasing, so better wait it out if you have a decent SSD already.

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omega44-xt said:
M.2 NVMe SSD prices are increasing, so better wait it out if you have a decent SSD already.

Not just nvme, all ssd prices have increased by as much as 40%. In fact the 120gb kingston A400 which used to sell for ~1500 now cost 2500 which is almost 67% increase!!

whitestar_999 said:
Not just nvme, all ssd prices have increased by as much as 40%. In fact the 120gb kingston A400 which used to sell for ~1500 now cost 2500 which is almost 67% increase!!

Yes, but not much point in getting a M.2 SATA. If next-gen games get some good benefits due to fast NVMe SSDs, it will be better to get an NVMe. Till then, no appreciable difference between a good SATA & top NVMe SSD. Prices might start falling again next year or later this year.

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omega44-xt said:
Yes, but not much point in getting a M.2 SATA. If next-gen games get some good benefits due to fast NVMe SSDs, it will be better to get an NVMe. Till then, no appreciable difference between a good SATA & top NVMe SSD. Prices might start falling again next year or later this year.

Yes but it does save on space inside cabinet at the cost of wasting an extra sata port. I also said same thing about good sata ssd being practically same as cheap nvme ssd models. For prices I am not sure as going by the ram increase trend in the past years I think little chance of ssd prices returning to their usual place in this year or may be even early half of next year.

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whitestar_999 said:
Yes but it does save on space inside cabinet at the cost of wasting an extra sata port. I also said same thing about good sata ssd being practically same as cheap nvme ssd models. For prices I am not sure as going by the ram increase trend in the past years I think little chance of ssd prices returning to their usual place in this year or may be even early half of next year.

For my current PC I bought RAM double the price it is currently. I will probably wait it out for prices to decrease. I wanted to buy another SSD but noticed prices have increased significantly. kingston 250 GB WAS 4000 now its close to 6000.

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omega44-xt said:
You can get 1080p 144Hz IPS display at 15k these days, so a nice upgrade if you can spend extra, otherwise your 1080p 75Hz TN is fine.

M.2 NVMe SSD prices are increasing, so better wait it out if you have a decent SSD already.

Is it worth upgrading now. Will the difference from my current be enough to get new one with 144hz?

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daemon1 said:
For my current PC I bought RAM double the price it is currently. I will probably wait it out for prices to decrease. I wanted to buy another SSD but noticed prices have increased significantly. kingston 250 GB WAS 4000 now its close to 6000.

I got kingston A400 480gb 2.5" sata ssd for 3200(sale price ~4.2k & got coupons+card discount) in last year amazon Diwali sale.

daemon1 said:
Is it worth upgrading now. Will the difference from my current be enough to get new one with 144hz?

Yes, not only is an RTX 2060 rig capable of 100+ fps in a lot of games, which along with G-sync (connect with DP to use g-sync on freesync monitors) will look great in games, but everything will look better in general because it is an IPS panel vs TN in your current display. It goes like this:

	Colours	Contrast	Response Time	Viewing Angles
IPS	Best	Mod	Mod	Best
TN	Worst	Mod-Worst	Best	Worst
VA	Mod	Best	Mod-Worst	Mod

So, IPS panels are generally most expensive as it is good overall without having any big disadvantage. Surely there are exceptions, like some high-end VA panels have response times very close to general IPS level, etc.

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whitestar_999 said:
I got kingston A400 480gb 2.5" sata ssd for 3200(sale price ~4.2k & got coupons+card discount) in last year amazon Diwali sale.

LOL, I was also targeting this at 4000 but then took 240 gb at around 2k. 3200 for 480 is a great buy.

omega44-xt said:
Yes, not only is an RTX 2060 rig capable of 100+ fps in a lot of games, which along with G-sync (connect with DP to use g-sync on freesync monitors) will look great in games, but everything will look better in general because it is an IPS panel vs TN in your current display. It goes like this:

Colours Contrast Response Time Viewing Angles
IPS Best Mod Mod Best
TN Worst Mod-Worst Best Worst
VA Mod Best Mod-Worst Mod

So, IPS panels are generally most expensive as it is good overall without having any big disadvantage. Surely there are exceptions, like some high-end VA panels have response times very close to general IPS level, etc.

Thanks for the details, let me check some options and price

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daemon1 said:
LOL, I was also targeting this at 4000 but then took 240 gb at around 2k. 3200 for 480 is a great buy.

A good buy but not great, lucky people got 1TB 860 evo ssd for 6.4k in last year amazon prime day flash sale.

*geek.digit.in/community/threads/de...s-post-your-findings-here.152426/post-2372745

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omega44-xt said:
Yes, not only is an RTX 2060 rig capable of 100+ fps in a lot of games, which along with G-sync (connect with DP to use g-sync on freesync monitors) will look great in games, but everything will look better in general because it is an IPS panel vs TN in your current display. It goes like this:

Colours Contrast Response Time Viewing Angles
IPS Best Mod Mod Best
TN Worst Mod-Worst Best Worst
VA Mod Best Mod-Worst Mod

So, IPS panels are generally most expensive as it is good overall without having any big disadvantage. Surely there are exceptions, like some high-end VA panels have response times very close to general IPS level, etc.

I guess having both 4k and higher refresh rate is very costly. if I have to opt for one I guess I will opt for 4k. Do you think otherwise?

daemon1 said:
I guess having both 4k and higher refresh rate is very costly. if I have to opt for one I guess I will opt for 4k. Do you think otherwise?

I can't comment your question directly, but if someone buys a 27" 4K monitor, then most likely he/she is like to use ~110% or ~125% scaling.

Otherwise the text is too small. (Note: My use case is screen estate, not gaming)

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ico said:
I can't comment your question directly, but if someone buys a 27" 4K monitor, then most likely he/she is like to use ~110% or ~125% scaling.

Otherwise the text is too small. (Note: My use case is screen estate, not gaming)

that is a very valid point. I use it as all in one PC not only gaming so I need to balance it out.

daemon1 said:
I guess having both 4k and higher refresh rate is very costly. if I have to opt for one I guess I will opt for 4k. Do you think otherwise?

Since you mentioned gaming, 4K is a bad choice, unless you get RTX 2080Ti as that's the only GPU able to push 4K 60fps at ultra/very high.

If you are willing to spend, 1440p 144Hz is a good balance between resolution & refresh rate without costing a lot. Acer VG271U (IPS) is a great choice, LG 32GK650F (VA) is another option, both cost 25k on sales.

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I have been going through details about the GPU and it looks like 2060 super mini is not meant for me for as I am a casual gamer and 35000 is way too much. I believe 1660 or RX 590 will be enough for me.

Which one of these are good?

*mdcomputers.in/zotac-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-twin-fan-6gb-gddr6-zt-t16610f-10l.html

Buy Zotac GTX 1660 SUPER AMP 6GB GDDR6 at Best Price in India - mdcomputers.in

*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...b-gddr6-graphic-card-tuf-gtx1660s-o6g-gaming/

I do not see any 2060 in 25k range in any of the sites.

daemon1 said:
I have been going through details about the GPU and it looks like 2060 super mini is not meant for me for as I am a casual gamer and 35000 is way too much. I believe 1660 or RX 590 will be enough for me.

Which one of these are good?

*mdcomputers.in/zotac-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-twin-fan-6gb-gddr6-zt-t16610f-10l.html
Buy Zotac GTX 1660 SUPER AMP 6GB GDDR6 at Best Price in India - mdcomputers.in

*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...b-gddr6-graphic-card-tuf-gtx1660s-o6g-gaming/

I do not see any 2060 in 25k range in any of the sites.

This is the cheapest Zotac RTX 2060 I could find in stock, 26k:
ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 2060 TWIN FAN 6GB GDDR6

Coronavirus has affected supply chain a lot more than the government will admit. So shops are increasing prices due to lower supply.

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omega44-xt said:
This is the cheapest Zotac RTX 2060 I could find in stock, 26k:
ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 2060 TWIN FAN 6GB GDDR6

Coronavirus has affected supply chain a lot more than the government will admit. So shops are increasing prices due to lower supply.

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Seems like it. Should I wait for things to become normal, given non essential was only relaxed couple of weeks back it might take some more time.
What is the lowest you have seen for 2060? If the diff is too much I will wait.

daemon1 said:
Seems like it. Should I wait for things to become normal, given non essential was only relaxed couple of weeks back it might take some more time.
What is the lowest you have seen for 2060? If the diff is too much I will wait.

20k, I think. It was a single fan Asus which has shit thermals, so wasn't a good buy. I think MSI or Gigabyte ones were selling for 24k at times. Zotac one has been going for 24.5-25k usually, so considering that 26k is fine IMO. If you are willing to wait, wait till late 2020 or early 2021 as new CPUs & GPUs are coming from all companies (Intel one is already out but that doesn't make a dent to R5 3600 because of price).