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Warner goes Blu-ray exclusive >> R.I.P HD-DVD

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DigitalDude
DigitalDude Original post #1
Jan 5, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Warner goes Blu-ray exclusive

*www.engadgethd.com/media/2008/01/1-4-08-warner_bd.jpg

We've all been wondering what to make of those whispers that Warner (owned by Time Warner, which also owns Engadget's parent companies) was indeed going Blu-ray exclusive, and apparently, those rumblings are true. Based on a breaking release, Warner Bros. Entertainment will be releasing its high-definition titles "exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format beginning later this year." According to Barry Meyer, Chairman & CEO, the move is a "strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," and he also noted that "the window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger." Notably, Warner will continue to release on both HD DVD and Blu-ray until May 2008, but after that, it's BD for life for this studio. Oh, and while there's nothing official mentioning any sort of payoff, we're hearing that quite a sum was dished out to make this happen.


lol after lot of format screwups Sony may breathe a sigh of relief over this one.

R.I.P HD-DVD :D


Full Press Release in the Source Article:
Source: Engadget

Another Related News: HD-DVD Group Cancels CES Press Conference



P.S. related previous thread in DIGIT Forums:
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75129


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praka123
Jan 5, 2008 at 5:45 PM
isnt blu-ray technically superior?hd-dvd gets attention due to M$ backing!
Batistabomb
Jan 5, 2008 at 5:47 PM
SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR ALL TO TUNE FOR blue-ray ROM'S
Who
Who #4
Jan 5, 2008 at 5:48 PM
praka123@ no its not, well not any more anway a MS fan will explain you more about HD-DVD.
DigitalDude
Jan 5, 2008 at 5:54 PM
MS != HD-DVD

Toshiba = HD-DVD :p

and yeah its just a part of the Group.


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naveen_reloaded
Jan 5, 2008 at 6:00 PM
isnt blu-ray technically superior?hd-dvd gets attention due to M$ backing!



yes true...

now the balance has finally tilted..

i p.s like bluray... its superior and a sony`s product...

:-D
The_Devil_Himself
Jan 5, 2008 at 6:04 PM
yep blu-ray is technologically superior afaik,but it is costlier than hd-dvd.


blu-ray FTW!.Cos ps3 supports blu-ray and ps3 kicks a&&.
Who
Who #8
Jan 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM
well x-360 supports HD-DVD on 1080P too...
DigitalDude
Jan 5, 2008 at 6:21 PM
^^^

for xbox its an add-on.. but PS3 has built-in Bluray.. MS is clever, they know this might happen thats why they didnt include it in the console itself :D



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Who
Who #10
Jan 5, 2008 at 6:25 PM
well x360 is the 2nd most sold console after wii also blue ray is costiler so this may help PS 3 i mean disney is already in side of blue ray.
goobimama
goobimama #11
Jan 5, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Well, Paramount is still on HD DVD exclusive. But I think Blu ray is ultimately going to win.
naveen_reloaded
Jan 5, 2008 at 10:22 PM
its all coz of ms we have had such loooooooooooong war....


hope they would juiced enough money to compensate thier developmental losses...
praka123
praka123 #13
Jan 5, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I read that the cost of making HD-DVD is less as the machinaries needs few upgradation from normal DVD ones.while blu-ray is completely different and may be Revolutionary!
goobimama
goobimama #14
Jan 5, 2008 at 11:46 PM
^^ What's your point?

First of all there's nothing "Revolutionary" about bluray that wasn't there in HD DVD. Maybe the BD+ DRM, but I don't think anyone here wants that. Space wasn't an issue due to VC-1 encoding. HD DVDs could go up to three layers (not available for public) making them 51GB vs the 50GB of Bluray (DL).

And why is everyone blaming MS for this? What have they done that was so bad?
DigitalDude
Jan 5, 2008 at 11:56 PM
^^^
not everyone :p

and yeah nothing revolutionery about bluray.. its all marketing and products in market (sony brought out so-many gadgets using bluray like HD camcorder PS3 etc etc).. this time Sony is very aggressive and careful not to relive their betamax era.

both formats can accomplish a lot in paper... but wat the consumers see in their hands and eys is only going to win. and Sony is also showing signs of shying away or atleast weakening its DRM stance. so I wish it all turns out good in the end.


anyway nothing to worry for us DVD FTW! haha :D


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Who
Who #16
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:00 AM
goobimama proves my point completely there no big diffrence in blue ray & HD it just sony & MS trying hard to get their format well known , since WB has taken sides of Blue-ray , HD will have a some what hard time now , well i don't care who ever wins though.
praka123
praka123 #17
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:00 AM
what i meant is AFAIK a standard Blu-ray DVD can contain 25GB of data and a standard HD-DVD can only 15GB's.correct me if i am wrong.

BTW,HD-DVD format is known much for its support by M$ than Toshiba :p
goobimama
goobimama #18
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:13 AM
So what's the problem with 15GB per layer? Like I said, triple layer HD DVD is as much as a dual layer Blu ray so space was never an issue. Even with 1080p movies plus some soundtracks, a 30GB HD DVD was more than enough. H.264 compresses really well.

Blu ray:
- Expensive media. Entire production lines had to be changed
- Expensive players. HD DVD players have always been half the cost of Blu ray players
- BD+. Yep. DRM at it's best...
Ankur Gupta
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Yes Goobi has explained it well in the last post..
Blu-Ray was based on a new technology so its production cost was much higher...
HD-DVD was cheaper which is what matters to consumers in the end as they are getting almost same space on each disk.
rockthegod
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:39 AM
This was already predicted before... the best news is for us customers.... I don't simply care who wins or who loses.... I want to see one format win and this meaningless war comes to an end.. and now Warner and New Line going Blu-ray xclusive.... I will just wait until the price of Blu Ray drives for PC gets below $100 (which will be soon now I suppose)... and I simply can't wait for Matrix and Lord of the Rings trilogy on 1080p HD Blu-ray discs.... !!!! :)
goobimama
goobimama #21
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Matrix does look good in HD. Me too waiting for LOTR HD DVD/Blu ray...
Voldy
Voldy #22
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:54 AM
The Media QUALITY and capacity of blu-ray is still now much more better than HD-DVD so thats why most of companies have now made their way towards the Blu-ray format
Zeeshan Quireshi
Jan 6, 2008 at 1:26 AM
The only point is Cheap Media . The same reason why dual-layer DVD isn't poplular .

Lets say that a 15GB HD-DVD Costs Rs 45 and a 25 GB Blu-Ray costs 150 Bucks(sony's media is ALWAYS overprices , look at memory stick ) so everyone will buy 15GB HD-DVD's n burn 3 of em to get 45 GB for the same price .

And btw , BD uses java for it's interactive environment , whereas HDi uses ECMAScript(pretty much javascript) as it's scripting language .

We all know Java has a penchant for low-performance(yes , C# is faster) and over-complicating things(Java EE , JSF , EJB , the whole sun enterprise-framework thing with it's numerous components ) so i think HDi has an upper hand here too as Web-Developers can readily apply their knowledge of Javascript n XML to author HD-DVD content .
goobimama
goobimama #24
Jan 6, 2008 at 1:51 AM
The Media QUALITY and capacity of blu-ray is still now much more better than HD-DVD so thats why most of companies have now made their way towards the Blu-ray format
One of the stupidest arguments I've read so far. What makes you say HD DVD has inferior media quality? Warner has only moved to Blu ray because it had to choose one format to end the format war. Sure there's more space on Blu ray, but as of now, it is not needed at all. And in future, HD DVD will/could support it by adding in more layers (upto 8 layered have been demo'ed I think)
naveen_reloaded
Jan 6, 2008 at 7:29 AM
Yesterday Warner Bros., the last "on the fence" studio, announced its decision to drop HD-DVD at the of end of May and focus on Blu-ray only. Fallout, as well as some crowing, and even some veiled threats, has begun.

First the HD-DVD Group issued a short, terse press release in response to the announcement. It didn't really say much, more of a rah-rah one-paragraph statement.
"While Warner's decision is a setback for HD DVD, the consumer has benefited from HD DVD's commitment to quality and affordability -- a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format. We believe widespread adoption of a next generation format will ultimately be determined by the consumer."
That may be true, but one of the reasons many people have stayed on the sidelines is not wanting to get stuck with another Betamax. This just pushes the decision further along, although as long as big studios continue to support HD-DVD (and Paramount had some big pics this year, such as Transformers) it won't die easily.

Of course, while that was rah-rah, what happened later was not. I received an email about the HD-DVD group's CES press conference / party planned for Sunday night. Cancelled. Whoops.
"Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD's commitment to quality and affordability--a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format."
Hmmm. The party's over, literally, I guess.

Toshiba, the "main man" behind HD-DVD, also issued a press release, expressing "disappointment" at Warner Bros. decision. Check out the "there are contracts in place" statement. Ooops. Also, notice the mirroring of the last paragraph with the email above.
Toshiba is quite surprised by Warner Bros.' decision to abandon HD DVD in favor of Blu-ray, despite the fact that there are various contracts in place between our companies concerning the support of HD DVD. As central members of the DVD Forum, we have long maintained a close partnership with Warner Bros. We worked closely together to help standardize the first-generation DVD format as well as to define and shape HD DVD as its next-generation successor.

We were particularly disappointed that this decision was made in spite of the significant momentum HD DVD has gained in the US market as well as other regions in 2007. HD DVD players and PCs have outsold Blu-ray in the US market in 2007.

We will assess the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluate potential next steps. We remain firm in our belief that HD DVD is the format best suited to the wants and needs of the consumer.
That statement over "contracts" could be a sign of legal action. Certainly not as aggressive as the OLPC Foundation's statement about Intel yesterday, however.

Meaning the crowing from the other side of the aisle has begun, as the Blu-ray Group announced the "Best Booth of All-Time." Also known, in that same press release, as the "HOTTEST BOOTH" (caps theirs). Of course, it's not like their boasting or anything, right?

Obviously more to come, but where's a consumer look right now for hi-def? I still stay on the sidelines, personally. The Warner Bros. decision actually would make me lean toward Blu-ray, but Transformers alone makes me lean toward HD-DVD and Paramount. And let's not forget:


just founf this one net...

vice read...
krazzy
krazzy #26
Jan 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM
How much does a movie on HD-DVD and BD cost in India?
NucleusKore
Jan 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM
isnt blu-ray technically superior?hd-dvd gets attention due to M$ backing!

Not just Microsoft, the porn industry too. Strange bedfellows
*farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2122604477_1f3f245df7_o.png
naveen_reloaded
Jan 6, 2008 at 10:26 AM
actually the porn industry is another major reason ....

their decision is crucial and important ...
DigitalDude
Jan 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
^^^^

it was during the VHS tape times... not nowadays

Internets and Torrents rule :D



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Voldy
Voldy #30
Jan 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM
One of the stupidest arguments I've read so far. What makes you say HD DVD has inferior media quality? Warner has only moved to Blu ray because it had to choose one format to end the format war. Sure there's more space on Blu ray, but as of now, it is not needed at all. And in future, HD DVD will/could support it by adding in more layers (upto 8 layered have been demo'ed I think)

Iam sorry dude abt my comments did i conclude something wrong i know HD-DVD too has better media but some how sony's blu ray has some upperhand on the media Quality and in near future HD-DVD will be coming on head to head with blu-ray in terms of media.i dont mean to critize HD-DVD its great in its place too
Zeeshan Quireshi
Jan 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM
How do you measure the media quality ? Any resource you wanna point us to ?
The_Devil_Himself
Jan 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM
media quality in terms of reliability of data stored onto the media.I think blu-ray dvds are more reliable in this respect.

And yea BTW if you have some really important data store in on a cd instead of a DVD cos Cds are more reliable.I guess its the same with blu-ray vs. HD-DVD.I am not sure though.
nvidia
nvidia #33
Jan 6, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Sony rocks*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/12a.gif
NucleusKore
Jan 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
And yea BTW if you have some really important data store in on a cd instead of a DVD cos Cds are more reliable.

You can say that again, I have seen failures, after a month, on Moserbaer DVDs which have passed data verification ! Unbelievable !
Tanmay
Tanmay #35
Jan 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM
How do you measure the media quality ? Any resource you wanna point us to ?

Hmm I don't think its the quality factor, more liek Content factor. A Blu-Ray should accommodate more Extra Footages than in HD.
praka123
praka123 #36
Jan 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
measuring the media quality ? well,how long does it last to allow complete copying from a ordinary drive of respective formats bluray/hd-dvd.i mean,with todays dvds,after a month or so,i can not copy completely to hdd!now that is one measure,next comes the amount of space the format gives.and in this dept blu-ray may win!
The_Devil_Himself
Jan 6, 2008 at 7:22 PM
fact of the matter is that HD-dvd is just a modification of normal DVDs that we use to store more data,and as some of you may be known that DVDs aren't very reliable in terms of data stored on them.Otherwise wouldn't they just have increased the storage capacity of the normal DVds we use?no need to buy new DVD players and all.While blu-ray is much more advanced than hd-dvds and something related to drm sh!t afaik(blu-rays are difficult to drm I guess while hd-dvd can have 'perfect drm' something,thats why M$ is favouring hd-dvd)
goobimama
goobimama #38
Jan 6, 2008 at 7:32 PM
What are you talking about? The reason why DVDs have 4.7GB per layer is because of the wavelength of the red laser, a limitation of that. HD DVD on the other hand uses a blue laser, which is much shorter than a red laser resulting in the pits and bumps being closer and more compact. Blu ray also works on the principles of the blue laser having a smaller wavelength.

Also, BD+ is known to be a much more advanced protection (DRM) than the earlier AACS protection used on Blu ray and HD DVD. So for all supporters of DRM, Blu ray would be a better choice.
The_Devil_Himself
Jan 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM
^^I am not sure about the drm thingy but I am sure about the fact the blu-ray is more advanced technologically and thats why it requires entirely different equipments.Anyways why should we worry?They are darn costly as of now.


And yea I am damn sure about the 'reliability of data' thing.More the layers lesser the reliability.CDs will continue to be the most reliable optical media.
nvidia
nvidia #40
Jan 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
And yea I am damn sure about the 'reliability of data' thing.More the layers lesser the reliability.CDs will continue to be the most reliable optical media.
Even the low cost cds are highly reliable.. But the dvds are not like that. Only those expensive ones are reliable.
desiibond
desiibond #41
Jan 9, 2008 at 9:21 AM
It's the turn on New Line Cinema now.

New Line also moving to Bluray.

Looks like a certain death of HD-DVD.
DigitalDude
Jan 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM
UPDATE
Paramount Following Warner ?

Read here: Engadget
praka123
praka123 #43
Jan 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM
simbly means blu-ray is better ;) and above link in digg reported to be may be inaccurate!
Who
Who #44
Jan 9, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Lol there is no big diffrence in both of the media, its only means sony has marketed very well , anways who cares.
desiibond
desiibond #45
Jan 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM
^^ +1.

Sony is one of the major record labels and movie production companies and they are playing major part in getting bluray into the market.
desiibond
desiibond #46
Jan 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I don't think there should be 2 formats. I wish one of them die and everyone sticks to one format so that we need not struggle whether to buy HD-DVD/bluray media.

Moreover, dual format drives still cost a bomb and I can buy 2-3 PS3's for that price and they do not provide full set of features.
nvidia
nvidia #47
Jan 9, 2008 at 4:19 PM
I don't think there should be 2 formats. I wish one of them die and everyone sticks to one format so that we need not struggle whether to buy HD-DVD/bluray media.

Moreover, dual format drives still cost a bomb and I can buy 2-3 PS3's for that price and they do not provide full set of features.
HD-DVD will die:D
goobimama
goobimama #48
Jan 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM
The thing about reading dual formats, is that they have to use a lot of different equipment within the same device. It isn't like in the case of DVD+R or DVD-R where the difference was minor. That's part of the reason why currently dual format players cost almost or more than double the separate players.
desiibond
desiibond #49
Jan 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM
^^ agree with you.

Yes. these dual format drives have two different trays, one for HD-DVD and one for bluray.

If there are any new single tray dual format drives, please please educate me :)
DigitalDude
Jan 9, 2008 at 4:56 PM
^^^^

google is your friend my dear :D

and btw there were no two tray players lol
desiibond
desiibond #51
Jan 9, 2008 at 5:01 PM
^^*www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/07/lg_unveils_multi-blue/
DigitalDude
Jan 9, 2008 at 5:15 PM
^^^^

you said TWO TRAYS where r the two trays lol

dual format != two trays :-|
desiibond
desiibond #53
Jan 9, 2008 at 5:19 PM
oops. wrong link. Let me check.

sorry. that's one of the first drives that came with single tray.

I remember Veronica and Tom (cnet) frowning over two tray players.
Who
Who #54
Jan 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM
That's confusing, well brothers my advice is wait 2 years & get the player of the winning side :D
DigitalDude
Jan 10, 2008 at 12:39 AM
oops. wrong link. Let me check.

sorry. that's one of the first drives that came with single tray.

I remember Veronica and Tom (cnet) frowning over two tray players.


haha they might have been kidding lol




p.s. veronica is hot :D ;)
DigitalDude
Jan 10, 2008 at 7:26 AM
[UPDATE]

Sources say Universal and Paramount are both going Blu

*www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/sources-say-universal-and-paramount-are-both-going-blu/
Tanmay
Tanmay #57
Jan 10, 2008 at 8:24 AM
Whats next ? 3.9 Tb Holographic discs.....
DigitalDude
Jan 15, 2008 at 12:07 AM
HD DVD fires back, slashes hardware & software prices

*www.engadget.com/2008/01/14/hd-dvd-fires-back-slashes-hardware-and-software-prices/