Which way to opt AMD or Intel?

I am upgrading my current system (2.8Ghz processor on i845 mobo) as my system doesn't have any Graphic slot(AGP ,PCI-e ) many other features like SATA,Onboard LAN etc.

My main purpose of my system to run smoothly Vista and do some multimedia work on Photoshop,Flash etc and some gaming but the main problem is that I am not sure to which platform to choose either Intel or AMD .Till now I faced no problem from Intel but I came across one article in some of the websites that AMD is gud perfomer than Intel and cost effective also so ,can any1 help me out to make wise decision .

And also suggest me mobo+cpu including following features

My Budget is upto 12,000 bucks max for Mobo+CPU

I am looking for following feature
MObo

1.PCI-e slot
2.Sata
3.DDR 2*
4.Onboard LAN, Graphics,Sound
5.Dual core CPU support*

CPU
Gud performer and cost effective (If possible plz quote price for dual core )

And lastly ...I am wanna sell out my old mobo+processor i.e orignal Intel 845GVSR+2.8 Ghz (533Mhz 512Kb cache) my delear is ready to buy this for 5500Rs .Is this is a right price for 2 year old machine

amd i think...in short
but do checkout properly...i guess dual-cores from intels r kool...
cheers

C

U can go for the following config. I have it and it jst rocks.

Amd 3200+ with Asus A8n-e(my mobo is without onboard gfx) so if u want onboard gfx than go for Asus A8n-vm. I gor amd 3200+asus a8n-e for 13k at the end of Feb. 06. Don't know current prices. If it is above 12k than u can got for amd 3000+ with asus a8n-vm.

AMD 3800+X2 is dual core processor but its current price is 13k-14k as far as i know. So i think u shld buy amd 3200+ or 3000+.

I suggest an Intel too, considering you are using Pshop and stuff of multimedia... try a low 820 dual core of 2.6 GHz, it can be safely oc'ed to 4~ ghz

Awesome!

U can easily get a Pentium D 805 costing only $130 and a intel 945 xx based mobo from ASUS...

wat abut Intel® Pentium® D Processor 820 can any1 quote its price (Indian)
and suggest a mobo for it

for prices look here
*www.indiaithub.com/
*www.deltapage.com/
*www.theitdepot.com/
*www.mahavir.co.in/

A

Intel for photoshop, dual core with 256-512mb geforce 7600 or X1800 series provided you don't game much

for games its certainly amd64 may be x2...
cheers

Wait till Jan for Intel quad-core conroe

MysticHalo said:
Wait till Jan for Intel quad-core conroe

dude,that'll be way out of his budget.

Hey! frnds plz suggest me a gud mobo for Intel dual core cpu

G

Pentium D 805 with Intel 945GNT for intel

Asus A8N-VM with Athlon64 3200+

And lastly ...I am wanna sell out my old mobo+processor i.e orignal Intel 845GVSR+2.8 Ghz (533Mhz 512Kb cache) my delear is ready to buy this for 5500Rs .Is this is a right price for 2 year old machine

Any comments............!!

dIgItaL_BrAt said:
dude,that'll be way out of his budget.

Oh...lol...yes i never read that red printed budget thing. Ok then, u gotta stick with an AMD 3200+ and the usual A8N-E/VM mobo.
Or D 805..but its crappy...i dunno abt its overclocking as qwerty said...but...:S
Yeah 5500 is gud enough for a 2 yr old rig...check online if some1 is wiling to pay higher

Being a hardcore AMD fan Im reccomenting Intel to somebody for the first time as the reasons are:
Vista support in least cost
DDR2
Dual core
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The 945 mobos onboard Graphics named somewhat 950GMA(not sure as I was not interested in Intel articles) supports Vista 100% with all the tranperencies. Go for a Pentium D 805 nd supports DDR2 upto 667Mz.

As for AMD DDR2, Dual core all are extremely expensive as DDR2 support is only for newest AM2 socket which could be a killer in price. The lowest dual core X2 3800+ costs 15k+ for proc itself(but is worth the money). And only 7 series nvidia supports Vista 100%. A 7300LS costs around 6k. That is a lot of money..

But for Intel u can get vista ready disply, dual core nd DDR2 support for very less price but at the trade of perfomance which I think u don't bother as price is as low.

If u go for Pentium D then don't go for original intel mobo....I've heard that ASUS boards are better than O.G intel ones ....so go for ASUS 945 PL mobo based in Intel 945 chipset.....

And 945 mobo is fully Vista ready!!!!

K

samrulez said:
U can easily get a Pentium D 805 costing only $130 and a intel 945 xx based mobo from ASUS...

and (allegedly) it can be OC'ed to > 4 Ghz (per core) on air cooling alone. Check out anandtech.com (or was it tomshardware.com ?)

Cheers,
Keith

Can the 945 run DDR1?
If yes then go for DDR1 memory coz u will get a 2.5 CL ram at minimum.....and cheap DDR2 offers higher latencys...So don't go for DDR2 unless u are getting a good DDR2 with low latency....

Yes all DDR2 supportive slots have backward comaptiblity with DDR =)

@ QwertyManiac
If Im not wrong, DDR2 slots are much bigger than DDR1. As Im an AMD fan i was not able to see a DDR2(damn), nd the voltage rating is also different, then how come it is backward compatible with older DDR????
This is the ionformation Ive got from the mags...

S

You can't have a DDR 2 if you go for an AMD proc.

Intel dual core 2.66 GHz will cost you about 5900-6200 bucks.

K

QwertyManiac said:
Yes all DDR2 supportive slots have backward comaptiblity with DDR =)

aravind_n20 said:
@ QwertyManiac
If Im not wrong, DDR2 slots are much bigger than DDR1. As Im an AMD fan i was not able to see a DDR2(damn), nd the voltage rating is also different, then how come it is backward compatible with older DDR????
This is the ionformation Ive got from the mags...

Yep DDR-II is not backward compatible. The pin count is 240 as opposed to 184 of DDR. Also, the notch on the RAM stick is at a different position. So you cannot accidentally force DDR into a DDR-II slot or vice versa.

- Keith

but till now nobody recommended me a gud mobo+CPU (AMD)?

eagle_y2j said:
but till now nobody recommended me a gud mobo+CPU (AMD)?

Okay.....Can u increase ur budget by 6K then u can go for a AMD 3800+ X2 and a ASUS A8N-E

OR go for a 3500+ (Venice) and a ASUS A8N-E or A8N-VM....

This will be enough for for ur need.......

If its AMD the choice starts here!!!!!
**AMD 64 X2 4400+@dun know(Extreme perf with 2x1mb cache)
**AMD 64 X2 3800+@13~14k (costly it might seem, but defenitely worth it 2x512kb)
**AMD 64 3500+ @9.5~10k (extreme perfomance in overall single threaded apps and good compared to dual cores in multithreaded apps)
**AMD 64 3200+@7k (Good perfomance and very good value for money and has potential to oc to hogh values)
**A8NE @ ~5.5k (Very good mobo with tons of everclocking options and rock solid with nf4 ultra)
**A8N SLI Deluxe@8k (SLi ready, highly ocable, great value SLI mobo,nf4SLI)
**MSI K8N Diamond@8~9k(SLI ready, ocable, creative 24bit 7.1 onboard audio, tons of features, nf4SLI)
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All of these are 64 bit and vista compatible. If u add a GF7 series card u can enjoy the transperencies and other visuals in Vista (At least a FG7300@5k)
All of these mobos(and proc) supports only DDR1 (but at ultra low latencies) but could produce higher memory bamdwidth scores than DDR2 on Intel if u use quality rams with low latencies and good mobos(above ones).

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For the mentioned price ur best choice(if AMD) would be a 3200+9 with an A8N E mobo.

hmmmmmm it seems I hav to add some more fund to my budget . K I can stretch upto 16000 .but which 1 is gud choice for me
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1.Intel D 820+945 ASUS P5LD2
2.AMD 3800+ X2 and a ASUS A8N-E

Which of above is a gud performer and and will run smoothly to next 2 years.

AMD AMD AMD...its hell of the bast yaar...its stock speed is 2ghz and it can be easily overclocked to 2.6 with stock cooling and above with good cooloing. Isn't it gr8??? U can hear bout personnel xperience of freaks who own such proc from xbitlabs forum or some other worldwide forums or tomshardware. And nothing much to say bout A8NE..do we..
But intel procs suck...running at higher clocks and generating more heat. Also for AMD u can go for comparatively cheaper SLI solution mobo even from ASUS(A8N SLI) at 7.8k or less. But for intel SLI mobo is sure to cost a bomb.

Wait till Jan for Intel quad-core conroe

Huh ??? Conroe is supposed to be dual core no ??? And that quad core thingy .. isn't the K8L being developed by AMD ???

And about the upgrade .. go for a P4 EM64T processor with a 915 mbo .. with a guaranteee of 600 MHz oc with ddr333/400 ram ... it should beat the corresponding AMD ... hell i mean .. get a 2.8 .. and run it at 3.4 ....

eagle_y2j said:
hmmmmmm it seems I hav to add some more fund to my budget . K I can stretch upto 16000 .but which 1 is gud choice for me
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1.Intel D 820+945 ASUS P5LD2
2.AMD 3800+ X2 and a ASUS A8N-E

Which of above is a gud performer and and will run smoothly to next 2 years.

AMD 3800+ X2 and A8N-E would be much better...3800+ X2 is better than even P D 9xx...
So just get a 3800+ X2....u will be happy with it.....

Hey its out of his budget as it costs 13k + 5.5k=18.5k. But is budjet is only 16k which he had increased from 12k. But its good if he could shell out another 2.5k.

aravind_n20 said:
Hey its out of his budget as it costs 13k + 5.5k=18.5k. But is budjet is only 16k which he had increased from 12k. But its good if he could shell out another 2.5k.

hmmm....for his AMD budget 3500+ with ASUS A8N-E or ASUS A8N VM is the best option....

R

as far as dual core processors are concerned AMD are much better than Intel coz in intel the basic principle is that only one processor can be used at a time, whereas in AMD both the processor cores function simultaneously. (Source: A seminar on dual core processors from a well known tech guide.) but dual cores are expensive for ur budget. U can instead opt for AMD 3200 with ASUS A8N-VM MOBO. it has all ur requirements and an onboard Geforce 6 graphics chipsets. I am using the same config and the performance is gr8.

P

i do want to know....the intel cache memory is greater than that of AMD in all models??? then how can the AMD copeup with being atleast good ?

y do ppl say AMD, when they have l2 cache high in intel? wot are the rules / feautres have to be looked in AMD ????

is there any ebooks / sites to tell all about processors??? so that i cud learn atleast something about them..??

Yeah its right dat AMDs clock nd L2 cache are smaller than Intel, but the L1 of AMD is much greater than Intel. Also AMD has the memory controller integrated into the proc.

aravind_n20 said:
AMD AMD AMD...its hell of the bast yaar...its stock speed is 2ghz and it can be easily overclocked to 2.6 with stock cooling and above with good cooloing. Isn't it gr8??? U can hear bout personnel xperience of freaks who own such proc from xbitlabs forum or some other worldwide forums or tomshardware. And nothing much to say bout A8NE..do we..
But intel procs suck...running at higher clocks and generating more heat. Also for AMD u can go for comparatively cheaper SLI solution mobo even from ASUS(A8N SLI) at 7.8k or less. But for intel SLI mobo is sure to cost a bomb.

well things changed yet again...intels new launch pentium d 804 is beating amds any processor....its dual core, n costs very much affordable 6400 bux....n wats d best it beats amd's fastest cpu wihout over heating + being overclocked.....check toms hardware again for d updated news....
*www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/index.html

gud luk
cheers