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Will mobile gaming kill consoles and PC?

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Sarath
Sarath Original post #1
Oct 5, 2013 at 2:19 AM
The current crop of mobile games usually remind many PC gamers of old flash games and remind consolers of the first generation games but will they take over mainstream gaming. Surely angry birds and temple run, no matter how popular they get will not be considered for comparison with AAA titles like eg: Assassins Creed, Diablo etc.

But what if mobile gaming continues to grow at the pace it is. It is sensitising more people about games, habituating more and more people into playing and most importantly more people now have a device capable of gaming than ever before.

For starters, many people are already reluctant to buy a portable console like the PS Vita or DS, either due to expense, library or just due to similar experiences in other mobile platforms. With new features like video streaming to TV sets and accepting many inputs, they can turn into mini consoles. But what about games?
Well, most cellphones right now can implement an Ouya like gaming UI if they want, but none of the manufacturers are doing it, but they can. Also most mobiles are capable of playing games that are released on Ouya. Now if you give them something like a Gaikai or OnLive kind of capability, then every cellphone can act as a console and play AAA titles like Assassins Creed, GTA etc by connecting to a bluetooth controller and streaming to TV using WiDi or similar implementation.

What if in the future you would just put your phone down in front of the TV, pick up the BT controller (joystick) and start playing AAA titles, just like that.

Right now the closest thing that comes to this implementation is the nVidia Shield, just add cellphone capability and make it smaller, maybe the 4th or 5th revision would be right up there.
Anorion
Anorion #2
Oct 5, 2013 at 3:01 AM
the market is not gamers, but everyone with a smartphone

world of goo was released on pc and wii, but got highest ratings on touchscreen platform

mobiles are sort of timeless, and are responsible for the resurgence of games from all times, dos, vectrex, pc (prince of persia classic, carmageddon, gta III)

its pushing out games that were stuck in dev hell for longest times... babylonian twins was originally for amiga

infinity blade franchise with $0-$6 pricing made more money for epic than any AAA title for consoles or PC

games were gravitating towards smaller sized, casual, social experiences before mobiles came along, mobiles are just another convenient platform for realizing this. (consider portal or limbo, two celebrated titles with a short play time)

it has developer mindshare simply because it is the most bankable platform atm, even though other platforms have theoretical advantages
gameranand
Oct 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM
Nope never gonna happen.......Consoles and PC will always stay. You can say that mobile is just another console for gaming.
topgear
topgear #4
Oct 5, 2013 at 3:32 AM
mobile can be considered as a mini console at best IMO .. but pc [ and console ] gaming is here to stay forever. Many has predicted and even set a certain deadline for mobiles to take over pcs but that did not happen. Pc sales figure declined but where most of the people bought a pc for general works can now do most of them on smartphones but gaming is a whole different pedigree - same goes for heavy multitasking / project related works - heck, even with 8GB ram I'm getting low memory error from windows just while browsing - is there any smartphones out there whihc can take such loads and gaming, when we will get a SP powerful enough to play C3 :D ?
Vyom
Vyom #5
Oct 5, 2013 at 7:39 AM
^^ 8 GB "Ram", yeah sure! :p

Anyway, its true that Mobile gaming can't kill console or PC, atleast until the "convergence" happens, and which still seems a distant reality.

I can have the most awesome mobile in my hands (for eg, to be launched Nexus 5), with screen size more than 5", and play the most awesome games like Asphalt 8. But when I come home, I "will" pickup my PC for the ultimate gaming experience in Gird 2, or NFS, and oh yeah, GTA5.

That reminds me, I have to play Burnout this weekend.
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 5, 2013 at 12:22 PM
I have already made a thread on this topic
Anorion
Anorion #7
Oct 5, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Mobile is proving most profitable, so its getting just about all the developer mindshare.
How much we like gaming on other platforms wont change this
snap
snap #8
Oct 5, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Nope never gonna happen.......Consoles and PC will always stay. You can say that mobile is just another console for gaming.

+1 to this
srkmish
srkmish #9
Oct 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Eventually i feel yes. With better hardware coming to mobiles at an accelerated pace and the seamless communication between mobiles and tv, soon everyone will be able to stream graphically rich games from mobile to tv( which is also possible now) and just have an additional controller for gaming. Consoles/PC will become a very niche market and its possible that with so less demand they will die.
Anorion
Anorion #10
Oct 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM
Apart from peripherals, within 10 years consoles and pcs can be mobile sized or smaller
RON28
RON28 #11
Oct 5, 2013 at 3:31 PM
PC and Consoles provide ultimate gaming experience which a Galaxy S4 or Sony Xperia ZL or Iphone 5s cannot.
gameranand
Oct 5, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Eventually i feel yes. With better hardware coming to mobiles at an accelerated pace and the seamless communication between mobiles and tv, soon everyone will be able to stream graphically rich games from mobile to tv( which is also possible now) and just have an additional controller for gaming. Consoles/PC will become a very niche market and its possible that with so less demand they will die.

By the time they become this powerful, you think PC market is going to sit down down and wait for it ?? They also evolve and innovate you know.
Sarath
Sarath #13
Oct 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM
^But mobiles will reach a wider audience, which is why many find it lucrative.

Already there are devices like Razer Edge which are portable yet give console/PC quality gaming (it is a PC ofcourse) but if they manage to cram that in a smartphone like device then it would be much more appealing than buy another gaming system altogether.
gameranand
Oct 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM
But it can't PC in terms of power, visuals, gameplay. Also if they are able to cram that much power in a mobile then imagine what a whole desktop would be able to do....I mean there audience will always be there for PC market no matter what happens.
srkmish
srkmish #15
Oct 5, 2013 at 7:27 PM
By the time they become this powerful, you think PC market is going to sit down down and wait for it ?? They also evolve and innovate you know.

Even with their current "advancement" PC sales are decreasing every year and is expected to continue. I have nothing against PCs. Im just saying that hardcore gamers are a minority and most people are happy gaming on phones or tablets. Soon the trend of streaming high quality games from phones/tabs to TV will be commonplace and there will be lesser people in need of consoles to play on tv.

However, Windows will become less and less as a media consumption OS and more and more a corporate OS. It will be around for very very long as most of the corporate industry is still hinged on it.
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 5, 2013 at 7:50 PM
Brothers! Master Race or Peasant we must root out the menace of the otherwordly nublet Mobile Fanboy(which is always a mobile game dev or Michael Pachter)
snap
snap #17
Oct 5, 2013 at 8:32 PM
angry birds and temple runs can't kill true gaming devices, there will always be need for consoles in our living room.
srkmish
srkmish #18
Oct 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM
Why quote only angry bird and temple run. What about asphalt 8, infinity blade 3, real racing 3, that too within 3 years of release of original ipad.
Aerrow
Aerrow #19
Oct 5, 2013 at 9:33 PM
Why quote only angry bird and temple run. What about asphalt 8, infinity blade 3, real racing 3, that too within 3 years of release of original ipad.

Point taken. Mobile gaming is racing uphill and nothing is stopping it. There's no question here. But hardcore gamers will still want console games so even if the user base is seeing its eventual decline, console gaming will endure and survive.

Furthermore, consoles are evolving into a full fledged multimedia center at home which will guarantee its place in living rooms
snap
snap #20
Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM
Why quote only angry bird and temple run. What about asphalt 8, infinity blade 3, real racing 3, that too within 3 years of release of original ipad.

still they are limited with touchscreens if we want to keep it in the living room then one will have to keep a dedicated mobile plus controller for the said mobile
SaiyanGoku
Oct 5, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Mobile games killing PC/Consoles?

Those phones can't run Crysis 3, BF4 or GTA 5 :p
Anorion
Anorion #22
Oct 6, 2013 at 12:58 AM
^true, but no reason that should not change rapidly. Already the consoles are not soo much next gen in terms of tech advancement, they are slyly turning into entertainment hubs

Argument by titles?

Doom, wolfenstein 3d, dead space, The world ends with you solo remix, Marvel vs capcom 2... All still sell on mobiles, and will continue to do so

Not to mention Bastion, frozen synapse, super hexagon, uplink, machinarium... There is no dearth of the best content around

Thats just the stuff not specifically made for touchscreens, or gameloft clones
Theodre
Theodre #23
Oct 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM
The purists will always stay faithful to the Consoles and PC's for sure!! But the quality of the mobile games has increased considerably and the money that is needed to be invested for a casual gamer in a mobile phone is on the lower side!! So since there are more casual or once in while gamers than the purists, the industry and the world around the purists may choose the bigger economy (which is not the purists) adn hence the hardware and the games designed to run on this hardware may be for the casual and for the beginners which may effect the sales of the consoles and the PC's since the purists wont be paying for kids toys, which may lead to a very bad posture for the purists...
Flash
Flash #24
Oct 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Definitely not. Mobile gaming will just be a companion to the Console/PC gaming.
If Console/PC were gods, handheld consoles will be like Demigods, not Archenemies..
vijju6091
vijju6091 #25
Oct 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Definitely not. Mobile gaming will just be a companion to the Console/PC gaming.
If Console/PC were gods, handheld consoles will be like Demigods, not Archenemies..

+1 From me . there is huge difference...and mobile gaming can not fill it:-D:-D
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Definitely not. Mobile gaming will just be a companion to the Console/PC gaming.
If Console/PC were gods, handheld consoles will be like Demigods, not Archenemies..

more like mere Mortals
rajatGod512
Oct 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM
no ... not even close ...
Mr.Kickass
Oct 6, 2013 at 8:15 PM
There is a trade off.

If you increase the screen size and then pack a powerful enough rig to display that eye candy then you simply have a console other than a mobile

If you keep the screen size fixed then no matter how beautiful the gameplay you can never scale up to the PC level graphics

The problem is, the way we interact with devices. You do realize that holding a gamepad/joystick/gaming gear is infinitely different than just touching your screen to play on mobile phones/tablets. You will never have that kind of involvement that you can have with a console or a PC that has a mouse and a keyboard to interact.

Taking the example of a competitive game such as Counter-Strike where it is more convenient to handle a mouse+keyboard than just a touch interface OR maybe even an Xbox controller the PC version will never die away.

Similarly, the Warcraft and Starcraft and other MMORPGs. There are many genres but you see its all about the game interface and people who play them. The casual gamer is happily touching and swiping away a Temple Run, Angry Birds, Samurai Vengeance, Infinity Blade, Real Racing... without getting that involved into the elements of gameplay like micro-management in Dota or tactical strategy in CS. The casual gamer is just not that involved except that he had a good time going from place A to B or any other similar situation where he had a few minutes to spare(though I know there are some who play devotedly but they are a minority)

The interface provided by a console and a PC is far more advanced and developed than a limiting touch interface. You can have gyrometers and what nots, but still can't quite match the controller. This is why playing Crysis is still more logical on a PC/console than on an S4 or Nexus 10... though that is changing and it is great. Developers are trying hard to make games that make innovative use of the touch interface.

Finally, the mobile/tab is afterall a device that does much more than just run games. The PC/console is a dedicated device that was solely developed to run top of the line games and because their form factor is much larger than a mobile, they can pack far more computing power than a handheld device owing to the difference in die size

Short Answer
Will mobile gaming kill consoles and PC ?
No.

Don't mobile gamers outnumber PC/console gamers ?
That will not wipe away a market segment

Doesn't mobile gaming cost less ?
No.The Sony PS3 500GB costs less than a Note 3 and will last longer than any phone

Finally, a befitting conclusion. IMO this makes for a great read. Grab some chips and read till the very end :)
Can mobile gaming kill the consoles ?
Anorion
Anorion #29
Oct 6, 2013 at 8:36 PM
World of Goo was released first on pc, then wii, then on touchscreens. Git highest rating on touchscreens. Its better for some games, uplink (originally for pc), anomaly warzone, solar 2...
There are variety of controllers available or planned for touchscreens
a touchscreen is part of wii u inputs
Get used to touchscreen invasion

Phone is more intimate than tv, so actually more engaging. A grindy mmo or rpg is actually more fun in short bursts during cofee breaks and just before sleeping as against having to take a vacation when a new AAA title goes into beta testing
rajatGod512
Oct 6, 2013 at 10:45 PM
World of Goo was released first on pc, then wii, then on touchscreens. Git highest rating on touchscreens. Its better for some games, uplink (originally for pc), anomaly warzone, solar 2...
There are variety of controllers available or planned for touchscreens
a touchscreen is part of wii u inputs
Get used to touchscreen invasion

Phone is more intimate than tv, so actually more engaging. A grindy mmo or rpg is actually more fun in short bursts during cofee breaks and just before sleeping as against having to take a vacation when a new AAA title goes into beta testing

What are you talking about ? :D :)) :twisted:
Mr.Kickass
Oct 7, 2013 at 12:39 AM
@Anorion

Different strokes for different folks.

Point is, whether mobile gaming will remove the consoles from market ? I don't think so. Just like having a better cam in a phone doesn't really replace the high end photography gear that you guys have, console gaming will never retire as there will always be a gap between the two

@rajatGod512
Let the guy take some rest, he's been driving the ship for far too long :-D
Anorion
Anorion #32
Oct 7, 2013 at 12:45 AM
Would accept argument if we still carried around mp3 players, point and shoot cams, physical books, pmps, handheld gaming consoles, radios and torches to the same extent if mobiles were not around. All of them are clearly better, but what do you use all the time?
Mr.Kickass
Oct 7, 2013 at 12:57 AM
Again, its the demographic.

What do you prefer when you have the same game available on different platforms and not travelling, not waiting, not outside ?
(Definitely not a phone, I guess)

...but what do you use all the time?
The phone
gameranand
Oct 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM
I use phone all the time but that doesn't mean that I would game on it. I mean I rarely play any game on mobiles because of small screen and all. :)
Anorion
Anorion #35
Oct 7, 2013 at 10:49 AM
^
What if in the future you would just put your phone down in front of the TV, pick up the BT controller (joystick) and start playing AAA titles, just like that.
TV and controller factored in. Wondering what exactly is stopping Apple, Google or Amazon from offering gaming options for the living room.
A
Oct 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM
I have always enjoyed gaming on PCs, because of their larger screen size. However, due to the bulkiness and the difficulty in carrying them, gaming on PCs and laptops is not always possible... :(
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I have always enjoyed gaming on PCs, because of their larger screen size. However, due to the bulkiness and the difficulty in carrying them, gaming on PCs and laptops is not always possible... :(

Phones can offer Time-Pass,Not REAL games which are on PC/Consoles
Anorion
Anorion #38
Oct 7, 2013 at 3:28 PM
^nobody told that to Square Enix
RCuber
RCuber #39
Oct 7, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Because of this simple reason Mobile /Console gaming can never beat PC

*img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/5870_Eyefinity_6/hd-5870-eyefinity-6_14-big.jpg
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Because of this simple reason Mobile /Console gaming can never beat PC

*img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/5870_Eyefinity_6/hd-5870-eyefinity-6_14-big.jpg


Heil GabeN!
Heil Master Race
Gas those Console/Mobile Jews!
Anorion
Anorion #42
Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM
^
*i.imgur.com/D5ygJxO.jpg

tv and controller not far from reach of mobiles
mobile games are sharing space with console and pc titles, on those platforms

rest of the fight is against moore's law. loving something so much wont save it...

there has to be something between the tv and the controller... maybe a device without a sim card, but it will still be very portable
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM
^
*i.imgur.com/D5ygJxO.jpg

tv and controller not far from reach of mobiles
mobile games are sharing space with console and pc titles, on those platforms

rest of the fight is against moore's law. loving something so much wont save it...

there has to be something between the tv and the controller... maybe a device without a sim card, but it will still be very portable

I Will Die A Master Race!!!!!!!!!!
Not ally with some Inglorious peasant basterd and then have the Logo of the Master Race carved into my scalp! :x
Piyush
Piyush #44
Oct 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM
None of them is going to replace each other. They both gonna work it out in parallel .
Mobile gaming is best on traveling and related circumstances. PC and console on the other hand gives the satisfaction to one in getting deep and lost into the game.
srkmish
srkmish #45
Oct 9, 2013 at 12:40 PM
None of them is going to replace each other. They both gonna work it out in parallel .
Mobile gaming is best on traveling and related circumstances. PC and console on the other hand gives the satisfaction to one in getting deep and lost into the game.

Disagree. Many mobile games are there where you can get deep and lost. Check out Trainyard. Best puzzler i have every played
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM
None of them is going to replace each other. They both gonna work it out in parallel .
Mobile gaming is best on traveling and related circumstances. PC and console on the other hand gives the satisfaction to one in getting deep and lost into the game.

Pick a side.Dont sit on the fence.
Piyush
Piyush #47
Oct 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM
I'm saying what I think is right. Do I have to follow the mass? :|
Anorion
Anorion #48
Oct 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Mobiles are just as deep, when the game is same
Limbo is not deeper on consoles or pc
Piyush
Piyush #49
Oct 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM
Well my bad, I should have mentioned the games like Torchlight, Warcraft, etc where the point to point click is of major concern
Anorion
Anorion #50
Oct 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM
^yep, so thats keyboard and mouse as input device, not desktop computer per se
Imo mobile is killing it because the content does not age. People still play and enjoy KOTOR without worrying about which year it released.
Also, Deus Ex The Fall

Also 6 of top 15 metacritic ratings for 2012 are iOS releases, more than any other platform
Top 2 are iOS
Mobile wins in terms of quality as well
CommanderShawnzer
Oct 9, 2013 at 2:14 PM
^yep, so thats keyboard and mouse as input device, not desktop computer per se
Imo mobile is killing it because the content does not age. People still play and enjoy KOTOR without worrying about which year it released.
Also, Deus Ex The Fall

Also 6 of top 15 metacritic ratings for 2012 are iOS releases, more than any other platform
Top 2 are iOS
Mobile wins in terms of quality as well

1.Check the user score of those games
2.Metacritic top 10 games of all time.
Piyush
Piyush #52
Oct 9, 2013 at 3:05 PM
^yep, so thats keyboard and mouse as input device, not desktop computer per se
Imo mobile is killing it because the content does not age. People still play and enjoy KOTOR without worrying about which year it released.
Also, Deus Ex The Fall

Also 6 of top 15 metacritic ratings for 2012 are iOS releases, more than any other platform
Top 2 are iOS
Mobile wins in terms of quality as well

Hmm... that way it makes me think that its better to say that gaming is sectored. There are many (including me to some games) who have no issues while gaming on mobile devices.
Where as the other community wants to get all out of the game with their desktop and consoles (that big display with surround sound and tapping keys like maniac .

So, ya, I still am unsure about the upcoming impact mobile device may have on stationary gaming devices, if any.
gameranand
Oct 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Disagree. Many mobile games are there where you can get deep and lost. Check out Trainyard. Best puzzler i have every played

There are Some mobile games which are deep and there are many PC games that are so much deep. :twisted:

I'm saying what I think is right. Do I have to follow the mass? :|

No you don't. I agree with you both will work in parallel, none will replace the other. :)
furious_gamer
Oct 9, 2013 at 6:40 PM
I own a mobile and PC, and for me, playing Dead Trigger in mobile is not equal to playing Dead Island in my PC. Both gave me different experience and i am sure i don't want to play 6 hours stretch in mobile. Like FC3, where i played 8 hrs straight in PC, i seriously doubt i will do the same with Mobile.

So, both works parallel but target audiences are what makes difference. For me, mobile will never replace the intense gaming experience i get from PC. Period.
snap
snap #55
Oct 10, 2013 at 1:24 AM
^
*i.imgur.com/D5ygJxO.jpg

tv and controller not far from reach of mobiles
mobile games are sharing space with console and pc titles, on those platforms

rest of the fight is against moore's law. loving something so much wont save it...

there has to be something between the tv and the controller... maybe a device without a sim card, but it will still be very portable

eventually it will be called a microconsole like ouya instead of a mobile phone

btw
anyone read this piece of news MadCatz puts Tegra 4-powered M.O.J.O Android game console on pre-order for $250 - GSMArena Blog
Mr.Kickass
Oct 10, 2013 at 5:54 PM
The OUYA Doesn't Actually Suck: How to Make the Indie Console Great

Nice try, lifehacker
gameranand
Oct 11, 2013 at 6:15 AM
Any new console will have a hard time competing with the existing consoles, also to make a console popular it needs developer attention and getting that attention is not a walk in the park. :)